11-15-2009, 07:03 PM
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#11 | Green Broke
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^^ agree. its ment to be used with two reins I think. I would never use a leverage bit like that with just one rein, because if you just have the reins on spot 3, you better not have much contact, or your going to tilt the bit around.
| Curb bits are made to be used with one set of reins - They are ridden one handed and on a loose rein, so the slightest movement of your wrist or fingers is enough of a signal to get a stop or rate. They are bits used for refinement - Fine tuning if you will. | 
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11-15-2009, 07:59 PM
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#12 | Green Broke
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Well, not this one apparentely. | |
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11-15-2009, 08:08 PM
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#13 | Green Broke
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^ I beleive this bit is similar/if not the same as the one Smrobs uses on her horses - With only one set of reins. This argument has been had before - There are people from both camps, so you can't say it is ONLY made to be used one way or the other - Apparently it works quite well both ways. | |
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11-15-2009, 09:30 PM
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#14 | Weanling
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A curb strap or chain does not go in 2 | |
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11-15-2009, 09:46 PM
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#15 | Started
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Originally Posted by sillybunny11486  ^^ agree. its ment to be used with two reins I think. I would never use a leverage bit like that with just one rein, because if you just have the reins on spot 3, you better not have much contact, or your going to tilt the bit around. | It's not normally used with two sets of reins. It is a western bit and is meant to be ridden with NO contact ideally. The action of the bit tilting around is how it signals the horse to stop or collect. | |
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11-15-2009, 10:06 PM
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#16 | Yearling
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Originally Posted by sillybunny11486 ^^ agree. its ment to be used with two reins I think. I would never use a leverage bit like that with just one rein, because if you just have the reins on spot 3, you better not have much contact, or your going to tilt the bit around. | Quote: |
Well, not this one apparentely.
| As has already been stated, this is a western bit. Curb bits are designed to be ridden with no contact. The Middle D could be used for a second set of reins to help transition from direct to neckreining, but could also be simply for the swivel action of the shanks. | |
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11-16-2009, 03:13 AM
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#17 | Trained
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Originally Posted by Appyt As has already been stated, this is a western bit. Curb bits are designed to be ridden with no contact. The Middle D could be used for a second set of reins to help transition from direct to neckreining, but could also be simply for the swivel action of the shanks. |
Exactly. That is how I understand it. If a person was looking to make a transition in a less confusing way or before the horse knew how to neck rein, they could start with a set of reins on the middle D-ring. Then use another set on the lower rings along with them before finally transitioning them to full curb by removing the reins from the middle ring. I have personally never used reins on the middle rings because my horses do neck rein (at least pretty well) before I ever take them out of the snaffle. Ultimately, though, this bit is supposed to be used with only one set of reins on the lowest rings.
However, I could be reading way too much into the make of this bit and those Ds are designed only to allow the mouth to remain stationary and not slide up and down on the shank, while allowing the shanks to swivel. | |
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11-16-2009, 06:31 AM
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#18 | Green Broke
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Originally Posted by wild_spot There are people from both camps, so you can't say it is ONLY made to be used one way or the other - Apparently it works quite well both ways. | I must have missed where I said that. If I remember correctly, you said that (might have been at another thread).
But, hey we live and learn :)
I was reading around the other day and it's nickname (or one similar to it) is a "western pelham". Thought that was interesting. | |
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11-16-2009, 08:11 AM
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#19 | Weanling
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quote=Appyt;462381]As has already been stated, this is a western bit. Curb bits are designed to be ridden with no contact. The Middle D couldbe used for a second set of reins to help transition from direct to neckreining, but could also be simply for the swivel action of the shanks.[/quote]
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those Ds are designed only to allow the mouth to remain stationary and not slide up and down on the shank, while allowing the shanks to swivel.
| Bingo.. thats all it is - otherwise it would be a gag
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11-16-2009, 09:18 AM
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#20 | Started
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Just to confirm... Headstall AND Curb chain go on the 1st ring. Reins go on the 3rd ring.
The 2nd ring is for a second set of reins. This is an Argetine type bit, which is the western version of a Pelham. The second set of reins is helpful in transitioning a horse to a curb from a snaffle. You do not HAVE to use a second set of reins. The bit with just the bottom reins makes a nice curb bit. The option is just there should you want to use it.
I do not like these kinds of bits with a single broken mouth piece. In that case they're called an "Argentine Snaffle", which is a misnomer since any bit with shanks is definitely not a snaffle...  . | |
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