I have been reading all of the bit posts because anytime I ever had a bit isssue I called up my step mom (the most horse smart person ever) and said I have this and this problem and she said I'l mail you what will fix it. She isn't a part of my life anymore so I don't have a go to bit helper anymore. So..... I have curiosity questions about what theses bits do (or are supposed to do) and if people like them and what muturity level the bits should be used for (young horse, working horse, old horse...ect)
I now this is a full cheek snaffle and I read its supposed to help turning?
And....I know this is an eggbutt snaffle but I have no idea about what it does
The difference between eggbutt and D-ring?
And what is the deal with the shank bits that have akwardly curved shanks?
Here is a lot of information regarding the different types of snaffle bits. I am linking this thread because I am not terribly experienced with the different snaffle types, I have always just used a loose ring. Bit Information (Snaffle and English-Type Bits)
As for the shanked bits, many of them that look so awkward really aren't. Lots of the curvyness of the shanks is mostly for decoration and doesn't actually affect how the bit itself works. Basically, the straighter the shanks are, the harsher the bit is. The more swept back (angled) the shanks are, that makes the bit milder.
I am not terribly familiar with the proper use of a gag bit as I have never used one, but I can tell you that no bit will fix a problem unless it's pain related. Only more training will correct a behavioral problem that the horse is having with the bit.
This is my favorite bit. I transition all my horses up to this bit after they graduate from the regular snaffle. It is a nice mild curb bit with enough of a port to provide tongue relief without interfering with the horse's palate (unless the palate is very low). The shanks are nice and short with a good angle and they swivel, which allows for more mobility and feel both in your hands and the horse's mouth.
I want to say just one thing. From my experience until you try number of bits you won't know what horse will like. And they are as different as people in their tastes. I know some people say D-ring and eggbutt are about the same. I tried both and while my qh likes eggbutt (which does have much more smooth and pleasant IMO touch where it connects to the center piece), she was unhappy about D-ring (and absolutely hated loose rings). I never tried full cheek, but you are right - that helps for turning AND won't let the bit to run through the horse's mouth (it can happen with the eggbutt for example).
Full-cheek was my bit-of-choice for a long time. It was mild, the bars prevented the cheek-pieces from going in the horse's mouth, and almost every horse I used it on responded well to it. Lately, however, I've been using a French link and it's wonderful! It gives more of a "full-mouth" feel, as opposed to the nutcracker effect the single-jointed snaffles have. And I actually had the same experience with D-rings and eggbutts that KV had.
As for the curvy (or swept back) shanked bits, I am not sure, but I think the straight shank causes a more direct and abrupt action, and the curves throw in a delayed response (from pull to mouth). The leverage of a shanked bit can also be multiplied by the length of the shanks. Hope that made sense... it did in my head... haha. Hope you find what you need!
Oh and here are photos of my beloved French link. The first is an Eggbutt cheekpiece, the second is a loose ring cheekpiece.
They also have full-cheek french links. I'd love to get my hands on one of these! :]
Good im glad to hear this, Yes you made sence lol.
I just bought a french link full cheek snaffle so im hoping it will work better on my colt. I have a kimberwick on him now and I don't like the way he acts with it. I think it may hurt the roof of his mouth. He is mustang. He is a smaller horse, like 14 h maybe...but he has a pretty big head.