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    08-05-2011, 02:09 AM
Random English bridle question...

Okay, so I'm looking at bridles for Aires (will probably wait to get a good one until after he stops growing...but we can dream right now! Lol) and am wondering about some differences in English bridles.

What is the difference between a figure-eight bridle and a regular bridle with a cavesson? I'm assuming the difference is functional, rather than just cosmetic (as the flash bridle is functionally different than a regular cavesson), but what is the difference/purpose?

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    08-05-2011, 05:24 AM
Hey! I'd be happy to answer your question... I personally have a figure-8 noseband on my jumping bridle for my horse.

Opposed to the regular caveson, the F8 sits higher up on the bone of the nose, therefore allowing opening of the nostrils more-so than the caveson. That's mostly what drew me to the different noseband. It's good for galloping work and jumping. Other than that, my horse has recently started to open his mouth, so I opted for the F8 for the flash on it. Lastly, if your horse crosses his jaw, the top piece is supposed to prevent that.

Hope this helps!
    08-05-2011, 06:34 AM
A simple cavesson should be fitted loose and is purely cosmetic - to break up a horses face otherwise they look long - it also acts as an anchor point for a sanding martingale if one is required.

A F8 or grakle noseband is functional - it prevents a horse crossing its jaw and opening its mouth to evade the bit .

A F8 should only be used as a last resort - a better road to travel would be one where your horse is comfortable in its mouth so it doesn't need to bit evade - this requires time, training , patience and trial & error with various bits - sadly in the world of today where fast results are more important the better road is being used by fewer people.
    08-05-2011, 01:46 PM
As said above- F8 open up way for the nostrils so it's why they are commonly used in jumpers or cross country where the horse needs the most adequate airflow. It's also not legal in hunters or eq.

As also explained about regular cavesons, it's a look most commonly used, and is a classic bridle piece. You wouldn't have to worry about a caveson beige legal or not. You're always safe with it.
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    08-05-2011, 02:05 PM
Well the figure eight keep the horse's jaw from crossing over and grinding. Also it helps their airway.. you can also try a drophead noseband on a standard bridle.
    08-05-2011, 06:03 PM
Also F8s are quite common in jumping and can't be used in dressage over here (Unless its eventing)
    08-06-2011, 01:55 AM
So, I want to eventually do XC, jumping, hunter and dressage with Aires. He's just started under saddle (had his third ride today), but so far he does not evade the bit at all. He rides in a nice, fat, french link snaffle and loves it. Based on that (so far...this may change down the road, but I doubt it), would a F8 be good for him (as far as the opening up the airways), or would it just be too much?

Thanks for all the answers. You guys really helped with explaining the difference...now to just decide whether or not the F8 is something we would want to use or need...
    08-06-2011, 02:08 AM
Personally I would not put an F8 on him at the moment, all he needs is a nice simple cavesson. Later on you can decide if you need to change it for another option.
    08-06-2011, 02:10 AM
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Right now, we're just doing trail riding and flatwork since he's only 2. This was kind of a "down the road" type question, really.
    08-06-2011, 09:03 PM
Oh definitely wait! Since he's only 2... for sure. Most horses don't really like it when adjusted properly, and from my experience, less than half of us eventers and jumpers use it for it's real purpose... most people go for the style and just adjust it loosely, unfortunately.

A regular caveson is a must until he shows signs of evasion or when you get higher where the riding is more demanding. :)

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