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    11-04-2012, 09:24 AM
saddle bar angle

Had a new chriropractor out last thursday for our mare whose left side has been off. Had 4-5 accupuncture and chiro sessions late last year and into the spring. Also had a saddlefitter out and confirmed the saddle we had for her fit, although I had doubts when he had us purchase a thinline pad with shims. She has a large spot of white hairs behind her left shoulder blade and a small spot of white hairs on her right side as well behind the shoulder blade. Then she delveoped two white spots about the size of a quarter or so down along her spine on the left side.

I was partly blaming my hubby (his horse) for not riding centered. Bottom line it was not him but her. The saddle would shift with him anywhere from 3-5 inches from the middle to the right. Not as bad now as we began using the back cinch.

The new chiropractor I found put the saddle on her and found it fits in the front but flattens out towards the back making it move around. She may need a saddle that has angle all the way back.Am taking a borrowed Circle Y today to check and chiropractor is coming hopefully sometime this week to check it herself. We were using a Toklat wool blend pad with the thinline pad on top She suggested going out and buying a cheap $40.00 fleece pad. Didn't ask why she thought that might be better. Visited 6 tack stores yesterday and couldn't find a contoured pad with fleece on the bottom. We are going out in a bit to ride and I will take picts of her back and post them here. One woman from out local tack store said it is hard to make a wool contoured pad (with the bottom fleece). Anyone have any suggestions for a saddle that might have this angle we are looking for? She is wide and round with pretty normal withers and just a touch butt high. Any suggestions? Thanks to all who read and comment.
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    11-04-2012, 10:28 AM
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A pic or two of your Horse would help, then maybe a pic or two of the Saddle on your Horse without the pad

    11-04-2012, 10:34 AM
Green Broke
Sounds like the saddle tree is broken. Maybe the horse rolled over on it. The leather is holding the basic shape when the fittes look at it, but when a rider gets on it changes shape.
    11-04-2012, 10:52 AM
Yes to pic's today and don't think the tree is broken, never fell onto ground and she never rolled in it. BUT..even though I checked to see if anything was protruding I will see if I can check if it is broke or is a Crates 17" 2171 wide. Thank you both!
    11-05-2012, 05:02 AM
Originally Posted by Joe4d    
sounds like the saddle tree is broken. Maybe the horse rolled over on it. The leather is holding the basic shape when the fittes look at it, but when a rider gets on it changes shape.
Must say I tend to disagree with this. I've found the most usual reason for a saddle to twist (admittedly with English saddles) is the horse is uneven. The bigger shoulder either throws the saddle to one side, or if the saddle is too narrow forces it to twist so the rear panel sits to one side more than the other, often across the horse's spine.

White hairs behind the shoulder are often caused by pressure in the stirrup bar position (English) and a lump along the edge of the spine often means the saddle leans so it sits lower on the opposite side (more pressure where the lumps are). Riders often complain one stirrup feels longer than the other in this situation.

I would check both the tree width, compared to the horse, and ask your chiro how unlevel the horse is.

Hope this helps a little.
    11-05-2012, 08:09 AM
It helps a lot..thank you! I tend to agree with you as I had posted in the past that her left shoulder was dropped and the original saddle fitter recommended a 3/8-1/4" shim on her left front. She had that I believe for 3 shoeings and her shoulder is pretty good now. They were not lumps though along her spine but white spots, since her winter coat is in they are just a smearing of white hairs. I took lots of pic's yesterday and will get hubby to download them to the computer tonight I hope. Since we couldn't find the type fleece pad she suggested I found my pro choice contoured pad that has foam in the middle and fleece bottom. On top of that I threw a light blanket on top because the pad is only about 1/2". Stiil some shifting but so much less than before, like 1-3" and more in the middle than before. I think she was over padded, the saddle seemed to be a good fit!
Also my hubby is a green rider really, and assumes the chair seat. I am working on getting him to get his leg where it needs to be, but you know I can only say so much at a time..ha Chiropractor says she is not off that least like I thought she was. Thank you so much and I will get pic's soon as I can.. You were right on with your advice, I just want her to be comfortable, she is so sweet and doesn't show any behaviour signs of poor fit.

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