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    03-27-2013, 04:54 PM
  #11
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These are the pads we used most often for schooling and showing with the cutback saddles.

Dura-Tech® The Original Pro Pad in Cutback Saddles/Pads at Schneider Saddlery

We had the rounded ones, of course.
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    03-31-2013, 09:43 AM
  #12
Weanling
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You're going to be doing saddleseat? Both of those are saddleseat saddles.

They're both well made saddles, but both overpriced. Saddleseat saddles aren't in great demand, and anyone showing at the upper levels will buy new.

For either of those saddles they shouldn't be more than $250-$300. I sold one just like that Crosby for $250 a few years ago. I paid $500 for it new, but that was back when dinosaurs roamed the earth....
The Whitman is the better of the two, and will have more padding in the seat and softer and more substantial panels. I think $400 is a fair price to ask for it. That model sold for $1100 new. The minute that Helen Crabtree died, people forgot about the Whitman and jumped to the Shivley. I find the Shively saddles very uncomfortable to ride. They are still "old school" saddles with little padding in the seat, and they are like sitting on a board compared to a Whitman or a L&R.

The Crosby is overpriced per ebay standards, because it's an old-school saddleseat saddle and the saddle snobs now have condemned all of those traditional flat seat saddles to academy or lesson use. If you watch ebay, you can sometimes pick up a Crosby or Crump for $100 -$200. I think they are great saddles. They just are not all padded up. If you dye them very dark brown, they look just as elegant as anything else. Pigskin seats will outlast any other leather, too.

Grip is achieved two ways: Either a soft stretchy leather with a matte finish, or by abrading the finish on a harder and stiffer cowhide. Many of those old cutback started life as Newmarket color, hogprint embossed, and also lightly sanded. They were grippy. Use and also the products used to clean and condition make them smoother or slick. You can roughen one up but then you have to dye or something to make it not look so worn. It can be done, though.

True, lots of people buy new, but the hottest saddles for saddleseat are the Shively MMX $2700, Shively 2000 $1895, and the L&R buffalo saddles $2600.

Jennifer at Showcase Tack sells used ones. Not for $200-$300 though. LOL

The Whitmans are a wide saddle and a straight tree. The Crosbys mostly are, too. The Barnsby trees are more medium width and curvier. The adage is Barnsby will fit more horses than a Whitman will. If your horse is narrow & curvy backed, look for something else.

Adjustable bars are almost a must on Barnsby saddles and are standard on Shivelys. Barsnby always used a shorter bar and hung the stirrups out in front. Their saddles are 1/2 - 3/4" larger than stated size, too. Lots of people bought a standard bar Barnsby 1 size small because of the oversizing plus having that stirrup leather hung up front. The Crosby hangs the leather a little forward, too, imo.
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    03-31-2013, 10:30 AM
  #13
Weanling
You can also look at the ads at extendedtrot.com

My public Photobucket album has lots of saddles pics. saddles4sale_2009's Library | Photobucket and them click the little arrow "Show Albums..." thing on the left side to expand the Library. I have owned and sold a lot or them, lol. I have buffalo leather saddles now, and one Whitman like the deep seat one you linked to.

I also started a thread on Trot.org years ago, Tree Widths and Angles but was told to stop b/c the pictures use too much bandwidth. So I stopped.

Arabians can be wide, and also short-backed. Arabian riders always use those big bulky pads. Nobody else in saddleseat even uses a pad unless it's to try to make a saddle fit better on a low-backed horse or something. I would think you'd have to buy a XW tree if you are going to pad the saddle like that.
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    03-31-2013, 05:07 PM
  #14
Weanling
Tack Collector, that is a wonderfully eloquent and educational post. Thank you so much for taking the time to write it. I have a lot to think about. :)

BTW, that Whitman Arab21 you sold was beautiful. If you ever come across another one for sale, please let me know.
     
    03-31-2013, 08:09 PM
  #15
Weanling
I bought that one back in 2001 or so. It was when EEG was clearing out all of the Miller Harness Co. Whitman line, when EEG bought out Whitman, Miller Harness, Eiser's, etc. It's the only one I have ever seen. It had a 3" cutback. It measured 20 or 20.5 nail to cantle, but was 18" from the you of the cutback straight back to the cantle, so it felt like a 21" to the rider. But the shorter cutback shortened the overall length of the saddle, for a smaller horse.

Blue Ribbon and Crosby each made an Arabian saddle with a flat seat and a 3" cutback and standard stirrup bars. The Norman family bought back their Whitman factory after EEG went bankrupt and they made at least one 3" Arabian cutback under the Norman nameplate. It was the same saddle as that Whitman except grippy leather and used the slider type of adjustable bars.

Check out the saddleseat tack sale Facebook pg. https://www.facebook.com/groups/129926973824737/
     
    04-01-2013, 11:35 AM
  #16
Weanling
CROSBY 19 1/2" ARABIAN CUTBACK SADDLE isn't my saddle. It's a Crosby Arabian cutback package for $400 or acceptable offer.
     
    04-01-2013, 07:26 PM
  #17
Weanling
Smith Worthington has some of their cutbacks on clearance incl the Mystic w/ adjustable bars $669 Mystic Lane Fox Saddle
     

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