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    05-05-2012, 09:52 AM
  #11
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When one is searching for the "perfect fit" keep in mind that when the horse moves the dynamics of fit is constantly changing. All we can seek is a fairly close fit. Saddles really begin to be uncomfortable when the rider sits on the horse at a standstill as a substitute for a chair, as often seen at shows.
     
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    05-05-2012, 10:08 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
this may be because the part of the tree that is shaped for the human (not the part that is shaped to fit the horse's back) has a narrow twist. This can often help a person feel closer to the hrose and make a wide horse feel less wide. I dearl love a narrow twisted saddle, which is why I love the Passier saddles. If you ever get to try one, do. The older Passiers are super close contact.
Right, I know about the twist, but for some reason was under the impression that Arab and FQHB don't have a narrow twist because it is pretty much counter productive and more uncomfortable for the horse.
When doing research on how the heck to find a good fitting saddle for my guy I read and understood not to choose a narrow twist just because it would feel better for me. Choose what would fit the horse best, which in my boy's case, was not a narrow twist.
Then again, I didn't research western saddles very much, just english and Aussies.
So does twist not impact the horse in western saddles the same way as it does in english?
     
    05-05-2012, 10:15 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
How interesting! Based on the pics I thought perhaps the Arabian bar saddle would fell more like you were perched on her, but instead it sounds like it gave you a closer contact feel.
If you look at the pics, the Arab one is wider and fits really nicely over the contours of her back, whereas the QH one is as you call "perched" basically sitting on there, not really spreading out as nicely..

You should see if you could borrow one to try on your mutton withered horse. It could be a good fit!
     
    05-05-2012, 10:30 AM
  #14
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Twist is almost impossible to know about in a western saddle unless you try the saddle out. Unhappily, that is true of everything else in western saddle fitting as well.

One company's "FQHB" tree may fit like someone else's Semi-QHB. The Arabian saddle I own has a very wide twist. That is why I dislike it - my legs end up hanging several inches from the horse. But the women in my house love it, and the tallest is my wife at 5'2"...so go figure.

This web site has a lot of good info on western saddle trees:

Saddle Trees by Rod & Denise Nikkel: Tree and Saddle Fitting
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    05-05-2012, 10:35 AM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
If you look at the pics, the Arab one is wider and fits really nicely over the contours of her back, whereas the QH one is as you call "perched" basically sitting on there, not really spreading out as nicely..

You should see if you could borrow one to try on your mutton withered horse. It could be a good fit!
I'm confused Skye... the 5th pic (QH) and the 8th pic (Arab) sit quite a bit differently with the Arab appearing to be "perched" in the gullet area but fitting Lacey much better down the slope of her shoulder.
(I think I need more coffee before talking about saddle fit too)

Yeah, I'm thinking the Arab bars and shorter back would be a good choice for us as he is trained western too. The western saddle I plan to pick up will be an extra saddle as I ride english and Aussie, so I have time to see if I can try some out. But, that would mean I have to actually find someone around here that does not ride barrels. Not sure they exist here....
     
    05-05-2012, 09:12 PM
  #16
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Welp, I rode her, got her sweaty, and am more confused than before.

She was moving out great, the same as she is in her Aussie (the Aussie fits her really well, could be a smidge wider but the world isn't perfect, she doesn't generally move out all that well in the other western saddle), the saddle didn't slide all that much (it did slide a bit going downhill but I was using a brand new wool pad and saddles ALWAYS slip going down those hills), and I really felt comfortable in it. She really seemed to feel comfortable as well and her stride seemed longer than it does in the other western saddle...

BUT, when we got home and I took the saddle and pad off, the sweat pattern was weird. I didn't think to bring my camera so no pictures, but there was sweat evenly on her back about 5 inches below her spine on both sides. Like there was the usual dry gap for the spine then a couple inches, then lots of sweat. No sweat on the tops of her shoulders/sides of withers or behind her shoulders.... The sweat was even, just more on her sides vs the top of her back...

The next time I ride her in that saddle, I'll try to take pictures... It was confusing.
     
    05-05-2012, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
I'm confused Skye... the 5th pic (QH) and the 8th pic (Arab) sit quite a bit differently with the Arab appearing to be "perched" in the gullet area but fitting Lacey much better down the slope of her shoulder.
(I think I need more coffee before talking about saddle fit too)

Yeah, I'm thinking the Arab bars and shorter back would be a good choice for us as he is trained western too. The western saddle I plan to pick up will be an extra saddle as I ride english and Aussie, so I have time to see if I can try some out. But, that would mean I have to actually find someone around here that does not ride barrels. Not sure they exist here....
You and me both.. I wrote that at.. 2:15am? LOL.

It's not a custom fit so it won't fit her perfectly everywhere. If you compare the 4th and the 7th, the Arab tree seems to nest better on her back than the QH one. But in the 5th and 8th it's a bit different for both.
Course I am not knowledgeable at all with western saddles.. English ones yeah I have a better idea. But from what little I know, the arab one fits a bit better though I don't like how it's tipping in the view of her back whereas the QH one is straight.
     
    05-05-2012, 09:39 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
You and me both.. I wrote that at.. 2:15am? LOL.

It's not a custom fit so it won't fit her perfectly everywhere. If you compare the 4th and the 7th, the Arab tree seems to nest better on her back than the QH one.
Agree
But in the 5th and 8th it's a bit different for both.
Agree again.
Course I am not knowledgeable at all with western saddles..
Me either, so we seem to be the blind leading the blind! LOL
No wonder we are confused!
English ones yeah I have a better idea. But from what little I know, the arab one fits a bit better though I don't like how it's tipping in the view of her back whereas the QH one is straight.
My comments in red.


Wallaby- perhaps the dry spine is a good thing. I know in viewing videos about english saddle fit you want the spine to be well free of weight and to keep the pressure/weightspread over the back muscles.
Also, maybe the Arab bars freed up her shoulders a little better, hence her better movement.
At any rate, do keep the info coming... you are my unofficial guinea pig for synthetic trail saddle trials because I'm too cheap to buy another leather saddle.
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    05-05-2012, 09:46 PM
  #19
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I think it would be harder to make a saddle with a narrow twist on top of a wide tree, but it's not impossible. It would require actually making the rider sit highter off the horse a little bit, but the rider might feel closer becase the narrow twist means that their thigh has a less splayed out angle to it, which mean that the knee can lay closer alongside the horse's barrel.

I just know that as a fat woman with thick thighs, a narrow twist feels better to me. Wallaby is a skinny woman, with presumabley skinny thighs , so may prefer a wider twist.
     
    05-06-2012, 10:08 PM
  #20
Green Broke
I just have to ask--

Where did you find an Arabian saddle? My mare is petite and narrow in the shoulder and I was suggested to get a Arab sized for her but I can't find any that are reasonably priced!
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