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    03-26-2013, 10:13 PM
Saddle Fit?

I have two saddles at my disposal. One is a no brand CC *i believe* and the other is a Passier and Sohn from 1950's ( Not the most comfortable seat ever and needs to be reflocked)

It looks like the saddle might be a smidge too foreward. Does it look like it might fit him?

I can also get more tomorrow.
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    03-26-2013, 11:53 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong. This pictures are the no-name saddle (it's an A/P, not a CC), not the Passier. Your horse is a Fjord, correct?

The no-name saddle looks like a classic Indian-made jallopy. I can't tell if it's too far forward. The tree points should be about 2" behind the rear edge of the scapula, and I just can't quite see where the scapula on your horse is. It might be a little too far forward. The girth looks to be in about the right position, but it's the tree-point location that really counts. The balance-point in the saddle is off. Look at the picture and find the deepest point in the seat. It's too far back. Either the saddle is too far up on the withers, or it's too narrow. The pommel is too high. Check the location of the tree-points, then check the balance point again. Also check that the angle of the tree-points matches the angle of the horse's back.
I have 3 issues with the pictured saddle:
-1-The balance point is too far back - cause to be determined
-2- The gullet-channel is too narrow - it's putting pressure on the spine
-3- I can't be sure, but there's a very good chance it's an Indian-made saddle, in which case it's poor quality, may not have a straight or symmetrical, or strong tree, and may have sub-par materials and workmanship.

With all three concerns, be aware that Fjords tend to be quite stoic and tolerant, and may not let you know if there's a problem with the saddle. They often suffer in silence.

You haven't pictured the Passier, but I can guarantee you that it's a better saddle. If the flocking is crappy, put a foam pad underneath to help cushion against the hard or lumpy flocking, assuming there's enough room for it. The Passier will not be the most comfortable seat, but it will put you in a much better position that the pictured saddle will, and will likely be more comfortable for your horse.
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    03-26-2013, 11:57 PM
The saddle is placed to far forward on the horse which is a common fitting error........The flap needs to rest behind the scapula to allow total freedom of the shoulder. Try moving it back ... The girth will be inch or two farther back. When it is properly placed, slide your fingers up under the panels down back- if you feel any pressure spots or fingers won't slide through because of tightness, I would try another saddle. Good luck :)
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    03-27-2013, 01:34 AM
Thanks for the info. The saddle pictured is the no name. Decent saddle, my trainer gave it to me. Just not sure of the
History. The passier I will get pictures of tomorrow. He isn't broke to ride so I figured now would be a good if time to see if the saddles fit.
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    04-02-2013, 09:52 PM
Sorry it took so long to get new pictures. It's been rainy and goofy here. This is the Passier, it was made in the 50's (as told to me by the Passier company in Germany) it does need to be reflocked and if it looks like it might fit him it will be done eventually.

Sadly this one didnt turn out so well :(
    04-04-2013, 09:34 PM
I just realized how dark that photo is from behind. I will try to get better ones this weekend
    04-07-2013, 08:22 PM
I can't see just how wide the gullet-channel is on the back of that Passier (like you said - too dark), but it doesn't look like too shabby a fit. Can you tighten the girth and slide you hand under the panels and make sure you don't have any bridging?From the picture taken from the back, the tree looks straight. If you decide to have it flocked, the saddler will check to make sure it's sound.

The 2 saddles will place you in very different positions. Aside from the position you're put in, they'll feel very different as well. Compare the pictures f the two saddles. Look at the deepest point of the seat. On the Passier, see how little is between you and the horse? Compare to the thickness of the other saddle at the deepest part of the seat. That can make a huge difference in how well you and the horse can feel each other. Different riders prefer different things in that aspect. I personally like being close to the horse and feeling what's going on under me.
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    04-07-2013, 09:44 PM
Is that a PS baum? I think they are very good saddles, but like you said, they have NO cush. The saddle seems to be right at the back edge limit of the weight bearing area on the back. I guess Fjords have short backs?
    04-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Is that a PS baum? I think they are very good saddles, but like you said, they have NO cush. The saddle seems to be right at the back edge limit of the weight bearing area on the back. I guess Fjords have short backs?
The fjords don't have particularly short backs - nothing like an Arabian. To me it looks more like the no-name and Passier are very different seat sizes, which makes the Passier go pretty far back on the last rib. Do you agree Tiny? Just eyeballing the proportions, I would guess the no-name is about a 16.5" and the Passier is a 17.5 or 18"?

MsBHavin, have you measured both saddles for the seat size? If they're really different sizes, one or the other might not be a viable option for you. Maybe the Passier just looks bigger because it has a flatter seat. And you've placed the Passier in a much more correct position on your horse's back, which is further back than the other saddle in your first pic. Little camera and picture differences can really trick the eye.
    04-07-2013, 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Is that a PS baum?
Say... now that's an interesting point. Passier started making the PS Baum tree about 50 years ago. This saddle probably pre-dates it. Anybody know how Passier built their trees before the PS-Baum took over?

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