I can't comment on the Western saddles but the English...
IMO saddle 1 looks the right width but the flocking needs re-adjusting - the saddle will be rocking front to back. Except...the saddle looks to me like a Far East import and since they are renowned for weak front arches that may actually be the problem. Does the horse have a spine curvature or is the saddle sitting to one side? If the latter it shouldn't really be used until corrected.
Saddle 2 doesn't look wide eough - in this case the way the panel is stuffed gives a false width fitting. Some will say the gullet is too narrow, but look at the width on the horse compared to higher up. Then it depends how the panel compresses. Again, this saddle is an import.
Bear in mind it's difficult - often impossible - to get an accurate impression just from pictures.
I feel that the brown saddle fits the mare alright but agree that the flocking should be re-adjusted. Of the fourteen saddles in my barn, this brown saddle fit her the best but I was looking for fresh eyes to give opinions. She is a seven year old 15.3hh Thoroughbred mare and my only lean built horse. I am actually in the process of trying to find a western saddle that would suit her but after two buys that didn't fit her I am still searching.
I also agree on the buckskin in the black saddle. He is the mares half brother and he has the complete opposite problem. The standard Full QH Bar western saddle is to tight on him. I have no idea what brand that black English saddle is, it is our widest English saddle and I thought it was to tight on him.
Finding a more narrow English saddle for the mare should be easy. She is the standard Thoroughbred build, but does anyone have a saddle brand suggestion for a Western saddle? So far I've purchased her a Big Horn "her size" and a Circle Y "her size" but both failed to fit right.
But does anyone have a suggestion as to what brand would be good to look into next for the gelding? Looking for a Dressage saddle, like I said he doesn't tend to fit the standard FQH bar Westerns and the English saddle on him, cheap and import though it may be, was a wide. I have been looking at a couple different new Dressage saddles but any suggestions as to what a good actually nice and wide brand would be for his "shape"?
These are what I was toying around with getting for him, not sure which one...
I am going to go back and look again, but first let me say thankyou for taking good critique photos! For once!
And secondly, both of those horse are extrememly good looking , and if you can't find a saddle fit, you can always get "rid" of one of them . . ..my way. (hint hint)
Ok, looked again. I think that the black western one is "OK". It's very hard to tell on western saddles, especially ones like that that have cloth skirts. Everything it kind of rumpled and does not offer a clue as the under parts and how they are layingf on the horse. YOu can tell a lot more by feeling under the front of the bars for even pressure all the way down behind the shoulder blade, and allong the length of the tree for any bridging. I think that saddle is ok for use with him.
The brown one is too wide in the front IMO, and might be a bit close on his wither bone, both from above and from the sides.
The brown english one fits the mare "ok", like you said. I would like to feel to see if it is square and even on both sides (it looks a bit crooked in the panels, and might be crooked in the tree, too) to be sure that it isn't up against the wither bone on e one side, while looking just fine on the other. If so, then this one is ok, but the gullet channel back toward the back is pretty narrow, and as I said, does not look even. I would probably not do a ton of riding in this one, and it's not worth the cost to reflock.
The black one just plain looks off. It doesn't look right, at all.
I cannot recommend either of those saddle that you linked, havingt never used them. I don't personally like Wintecs, but a lot of folks do like them. Either way, you won't get one saddle that fits both of them, unless it's treeless.
They are both just lovely horses in good condition with very nice conformation.
I know that we wont be getting them the same saddle. They are both 7 years old, 15.3hh and sired by the same horse but the similarities stop there!
If you'd like me to add to the headache I have a very round 14.2hh Mustang who is looking for both a new Western and new English (jumping) saddle. His back is so very short that its nearly impossible for me to find something that actually fits him everywhere. He has been here for 2 years and I have been using everyone elses saddles on him having little to no luck finding something that fits all around.
I mean honestly, what kind of saddle fits on this 6" landing pad?
Zavrina cut her hock last December. I'm not sure on what though? I came out to feed one morning and she had a blood trail behind her. My first thought was that she lost the baby (in foal at the time) but then I noticed it was the hock and had a "Thank GOD, its just a hock" moment. Followed by and "OMG its a hock, how does one treat a cut hock!" moment. This is two weeks later:
Its still clearly larger than her other hock but just a small scar isvisiblee other than the noted size difference. The poor little mare is also half blind in one eye, injury related and haspermanentt swelling in her knees which you can also see in the picture. She was in a stall from birth threw 5 years old when I got her. She hadn't seen the light of day, she grew up on cement so I think that's why her knees are puffy. Its been a long road with her. While working on giving her turn out time, then treating her like a baby and training from the ground up I bred her. Now baby is weaned and we have started Zavrina under saddle. She has about 10 rides walk/trot so far :) I'm assuming she isn't going to be anything more than trail horse sound but that's already. She is super sweet to have around, she'll make a fine trail horse and she bakes a pretty baby.
I just meant in general sorry for the way that was worded. The brown English saddle is the narrowest saddle we have. I meant that finding another narrow saddle will be easier than finding Image his super size on top, regular/wide on bottom size saddle.
I haven't tried the Wintec Isabell, but I have heard very good things about it. I've been riding in an "old style" Wintec Pro Dressage for a few years now and it's been an OK (but not great) saddle in terms of fitting both me and the several horses that I've leased over the years (two QHs, TBxHano, and now my QHxAndalusian)