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    04-27-2013, 11:06 AM
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No I don't :(
     
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    04-27-2013, 11:07 AM
  #12
Yearling
Well - I would.

One problem with getting an English saddle to fit comfortably is that it's not just the tree width and shape you have to look at, the panel is just as important.

If you have a horse that hollows behind the shoulder you usually find that the correct front arch width, to give clearance when the horse steps forward and the shoulderblades rotate backwards, will allow the saddle to drop too low in front. You then need a deeper (wider) panel in that area to provide the extra support - to fill in the hollows, if you like.

Often you'll need the panel stuffed more as well, and the deeper the panel the softer the flocking can be left. (In a narrower panel the flocking will necessarily have to be firmer to get the same amount of support).

Then when the horse steps forward the back of the shoulder blade hits a soft panel, not a hard tree-point.

Foam and fibre panels are non- adjustable, so can't be shaped to the horse's back but there are some wool flocked CC saddles if you prefer that type. Also the new Wintec Cair saddles have an openable panel which can be shimmed inside (though I'd still flock them as you get a better fit) and some Jaguar felt panel CCs have split panels so you can get wool between the parts to shape them better.

Apologies if you already knew a lot of that :)
     
    04-27-2013, 11:12 AM
  #13
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Well yes from the side



And this
     
    04-27-2013, 11:16 AM
  #14
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
Well - I would.

One problem with getting an English saddle to fit comfortably is that it's not just the tree width and shape you have to look at, the panel is just as important.

If you have a horse that hollows behind the shoulder you usually find that the correct front arch width, to give clearance when the horse steps forward and the shoulderblades rotate backwards, will allow the saddle to drop too low in front. You then need a deeper (wider) panel in that area to provide the extra support - to fill in the hollows, if you like.

Often you'll need the panel stuffed more as well, and the deeper the panel the softer the flocking can be left. (In a narrower panel the flocking will necessarily have to be firmer to get the same amount of support).

Then when the horse steps forward the back of the shoulder blade hits a soft panel, not a hard tree-point.

Foam and fibre panels are non- adjustable, so can't be shaped to the horse's back but there are some wool flocked CC saddles if you prefer that type. Also the new Wintec Cair saddles have an openable panel which can be shimmed inside (though I'd still flock them as you get a better fit) and some Jaguar felt panel CCs have split panels so you can get wool between the parts to shape them better.

Apologies if you already knew a lot of that :)
No, I didn't know all of this. Thank you :)
I ride hunt seat, flat and some jumping, and I'll eventually get on the QH circuit. I want a saddle that looks appropriate for that, but still fits really well (of course.) I have been looking at Marcel Toulouse and have heard really good things about them. Anything else someone recommends?
     
    04-27-2013, 11:29 AM
  #15
Yearling
Just a quick observation.

From the pictures you seem to have a slight 'croup high' issue. It shouldn't be a major problem BUT when you're looking at the level of a saddle from the ground, the pommel will sit slightly lower than would normally be the case, simply because of the horse's shape.

Because saddle level seriously affects both your and the horse's balance, I'd strongly advise you to get a competent fitter look at it if you possibly can. That's because in croup-high horses, changes to the back profile when ridden can have a more drastic effect on the saddle balance than realised, which you won't see - you need someone on the ground.
     
    04-27-2013, 11:36 AM
  #16
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Originally Posted by ReneeM    
Hi :)
How big are the dry spots and where are they on your horses back? Do you have a photo?

Is it possible that the saddle is being placed too far forward?


There you go from the ops thread on saddle fit Saddle fit...dry spots behind withers
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    05-02-2013, 04:24 PM
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Would it be okay to have a foam and wool flocked saddle, like some of the Marcel Toulouses? Would it still be able to be adjusted?
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    05-02-2013, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by howrsegirl123    
Would it be okay to have a foam and wool flocked saddle, like some of the Marcel Toulouses? Would it still be able to be adjusted?
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I can't find any info on their panel construction so have to assume it's wool over foam, with the latter against the horse. If so it ought to be relatively straightforward to shape.

Thorowgood used to have a foam-lined fabric panel with wool above the foam and these were easy to adjust, although to be fair fabric is a lot stretchier than a leather panel.
     

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