Thank you SouthernTrails,
I did ask for those before we trailered to a saddle shop for our mare to be fit. They said they were out and that the way saddles are made it might not fit the way the tree was on her because of the way the saddles are made..or something like that. Many saddles were tried, Billy Cooks, Cirlce Y, a Cashel, a Tucker and a Dakota and maybe a couple other brands, those are all I could remember. The Dakota seemed to be the best fit but found out later it was a flex tree which I stated in an email to them I did not want. Well that is what we got, a Dakota trail saddle with a flex tree. It appears to be a decent saddle for the money but not happy it is a flex. When my husband rode in it the spine (about 1/2" wide) was dry and has dry spots about 8-10" long on both sides middle of her back. He rode her twice in the saddle and my son rode and got the same pattern. I thought maybe the pad was too thick so I tried an old 1/2" Pro Choice foam pad with a fleece bottom and got a perfect sweat pattern. I am thinking maybe with the heavier guys the middle of the saddle is pressing down on her back. Geez all I want is a saddle she can be comfortable in!