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    02-23-2008, 06:08 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Severe or not?? Argentine snaffle

I've been doing a lot of research on the Argentine snaffle and how severe it is. It's pretty much half and half. Some people love it and others hate it. I'm just wondering what you guys think.

I'm planning on training a colt of my own this summer. This is the idea of bit order I plan on using: hackamore, snaffle, argentine w/ 5" shanks, Billy allen bit w/ loose shanks, and then a low port grazing bit. What do you guys think?
     
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    02-24-2008, 07:23 PM
  #2
Started
An argentine snaffle is pretty much the same thing as a tom thumb. And a TRUE snaffle does not have shanks. Yes, they are harsh and they are really poorly made. Poor communication. Pretty much a crap bit.

Why not just start your horse in a simple snaffle? And why go to a grazing bit? That's pretty harsh as well.
     
    02-24-2008, 07:59 PM
  #3
Yearling
Grazing bits are gentle in proper hands given short shanks due to the low port. I would much prefer a Mullen mouth but many disagree.
     
    02-24-2008, 08:12 PM
  #4
Started
It's not a popluar bit here that I know of so I don't know too much about it.
     
    02-25-2008, 08:34 PM
  #5
Green Broke
It's one of the 3 bits that we use when we train horses at our stables. The horses don't seem to have a problem with it. I do feel that the Tom Thumb and the Argentine have their differences that make them work differently. If you look at pictures the tom thumb is almost perpendicular to the headstall and the argentine alsmot lies on the same line as it..... I'm not a bit expert, but I would think that would make them work somewhat differently
     
    02-25-2008, 10:36 PM
  #6
Foal
I really don't understand why people think argentines are so severe. They are less sever than a tom thumb due to the bend. A curb bit has a lot of tongue pressure and will not work for two handing at all, which makes it tough to train a horse to neck rein in. Therefore, I always move my horses into an argentine and once they get neck reining down I may consider using a curb. I think your plan is perfect for training your colt. Spirithorse, have you ever used an aregentine? They have a totally different feel from a tom thumb, and she will eventually have to move up to a bit with shanks if she is going to neck rein. So yes, I like argentines. I have used them on many successful horses in different disciplines. However, any bit with shanks is severe in the wrong hands. But if you are soft handed an argentine is not a severe bit. Just my two cents.
     
    02-26-2008, 10:50 AM
  #7
Started
I would never use argentine. But I have ridden horses who were ridden in a TT and argentine and there was no good communication that came from those bits, IMO. The horses didn't respond to them at all. I rode them just like I ride my own horse, who's in a snaffle, and it was horrible.
     
    05-11-2009, 09:31 AM
  #8
Foal
Revisiting

I use an Argentine snaffle with curb strap on my gaited Rocky Mountain horse. She loves it. No chewing, no fussing. In my opinion she doesn't need the curb, however it's been nice to help with tweaking. She goes equally well, gaiting or not, in a halter and lead rope or a Dr. Cook bitless. As in anything else, it's all in the training and in having a knowledgeable hand on the other end of the reins.
     
    05-11-2009, 10:12 AM
  #9
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
An argentine snaffle is pretty much the same thing as a tom thumb.
Where did you get that information?
     
    05-11-2009, 10:41 AM
  #10
Weanling
Well, I think these posts definitely support your statement that some love them and some hate them.

I personally would not start a horse in anything other then a loose ring snaffle regardless of what I am training the horse for.
     

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