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    05-12-2010, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by equiniphile    
And martingales prevent a horse from throwing his head up, and improves their head carriage
This is incorrect. A running martingale, when adjusted correctly, only comes into play when the horse flips its nose above wither height. It should never ever be used to "correct" headset at all.
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    05-12-2010, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
that still doesnt mean its right. Horses heads are very soft up there. If you hit them to hard you could kill them.
I said "as hard as you can" so no one taps them and expects a miracle. I honestly didn't hit them as hard as I could, just enough to say, "hey, this isn't such a good idea...".
     
    05-12-2010, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
This is incorrect. A running martingale, when adjusted correctly, only comes into play when the horse flips its nose above wither height. It should never ever be used to "correct" headset at all.
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    05-12-2010, 07:25 PM
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Every time you get on him and he rears, wack him as hard as you can with a crop between his ears
This works, when it works, only if you time the "whack" when the horse is coming up off the ground. The reason that it works, when it works, is the horse believes it has hit itself on something overhead that it can't see, and become reluctant to lift it's front end off the ground for fear of hitting itself again.

It's not a technique I would ever recommend to less than a very experienced, confident rider because it's very hard to do correctly and very easy to do wrong. Done wrong, all you're doing is reinforcing the bad behavior and increasing the liklihood that the animal will flip over.

I also would never recommend this technique without thoroughly investigating the root causes of the behavior. It's highly likely that this otherwise sweet and agreeable pony has a reason for this behavior and is trying to communicate it to his rider.
     
    05-12-2010, 07:26 PM
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Since noone else has said it black and white I will. A RM is a crutch, plain and simple. It is duct tape for a quick fix for a bigger problem, nothing more nothing less. Since you are a young rider it would be a good idea to start striving to use as little tack possible, opt out of using tiedowns and other gadgets, and working through behavioral issues with an accredited trainer, that way you learn the right and positive way to work with a horse instead of trying to force the ride out of it.I think if you strive for this in the beginning you will become a much better rider as you go along.

Check your saddle, try hopping on from a mounting block and see if that helps him, it could be hurting his back when you mount. Good luck with Spider! He is a cute little bugger!
     
    05-12-2010, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by equiniphile    
I said "as hard as you can" so no one taps them and expects a miracle. I honestly didn't hit them as hard as I could, just enough to say, "hey, this isn't such a good idea...".
Ok I was being nice the first time but now I'm not going to be so nice. YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A HORSE ON TOP OF THE HEAD! I've hurd about using eggs but I don't think I could hold an egg and still ride/keep my balance.
     
    05-12-2010, 07:34 PM
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Okay, now that I am back on my laptop, I can type out my response:

My first thought is pain. Either the pony's back is sore, the saddle doesn't fit, or something is up. I would get a reputable vet out to do a once-over - probably not a bad idea just to make sure her joints can stand to be jumping as well.
My second thought is: What kind of equipment are you using (bit, bridle, saddle), and does each component fit properly?
My third question is: How, exactly, do you mount up? If you are using the saddle a lot to mount up, and the saddle doesn't fit well, and/or she's back-sore, she could be rearing out of pain.
     
    05-12-2010, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by maura    
This works, when it works, only if you time the "whack" when the horse is coming up off the ground. The reason that it works, when it works, is the horse believes it has hit itself on something overhead that it can't see, and become reluctant to lift it's front end off the ground for fear of hitting itself again.

It's not a technique I would ever recommend to less than a very experienced, confident rider because it's very hard to do correctly and very easy to do wrong. Done wrong, all you're doing is reinforcing the bad behavior and increasing the liklihood that the animal will flip over.

I also would never recommend this technique without thoroughly investigating the root causes of the behavior. It's highly likely that this otherwise sweet and agreeable pony has a reason for this behavior and is trying to communicate it to his rider.
^^This. Assuming of course that the problem is behavioral, not a reaction to pain.
     
    05-12-2010, 08:02 PM
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A RM is a crutch, plain and simple. It is duct tape for a quick fix for a bigger problem, nothing more nothing less.
Respectfully disagree, as I always do wth this statement. On certain horses, it is a useful tool, but ONLY when used as properly intended.
     
    05-12-2010, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
Ok I was being nice the first time but now I'm not going to be so nice. YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A HORSE ON TOP OF THE HEAD! I've hurd about using eggs but I don't think I could hold an egg and still ride/keep my balance.
What does an egg do? It makes the horse frustrated. A crop will make him think he's hitting a barrier by rearing. I've also heard of using water balloons, but it does nothing but make the horse angry and frustrated, plus does damage to his fragile ears if it gets inside.
     

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