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    07-17-2012, 09:39 AM
5 yo is young, I bet you he'll be changing quite a bit for the next 2-3 years or so. I also agree with UA and Faye that most arabs I've seen have very short backs and there is a danger that 18" may not fit him (my fitter had similar concerns with my short-back paint, but thankfully my 18" is still OK on her).

As for brands for $1000 you have lots of choices. I myself have Thornhill Vienna, but it's designed towards wide horses, so I don't think it'll be a good choice. M Toulouse is more narrow, so something to look into and it's around $1000 new. As for used ones you can look at Passier, Crosby, County, Albion. I didn't like KN (felt very hard) as well as Stubben (same issue), so while those are saddles to last they are not on my list.
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    07-17-2012, 10:36 AM
Originally Posted by DraftXDressage    
That is exceedingly inaccurate, particularly since we do not yet know what model of saddle the OP is considering. I have sat in deep-seated 18"s that ride like 17"s. Recall also that we are talking about dressage saddles, not close contacts. Without the benefit of a forward cut flap, one does not need to be particularly tall to have difficulty fitting one's femur on a 17.5."
Sorry, no it's not

Close-contact? You mean jumping saddles. Have you never seen a close-contact dressage saddle?

Femur length has little to do with seat size. When you sit in the middle of the saddle which part of you moves when you take up your stirrups? You don't slide your seat back unless you can't get your knees on the flap, because it throws your balance out. So cut is far more important. And I thought dressage saddles encouraged a long leg position.

You'll struggle to fit an 18" saddle on the ribcage of an arab that size.
We had an 14hh arab x pony for my daughter and her 16" was on the limit.
I'm 5'11' (average leg length) and have never ridden anything I owned (15.2 to 17hh) in bigger than 17.5"
    07-17-2012, 10:59 AM
I'm not contesting that an 18" saddle may be too long for the horse. Haven't see him, so I can't say one way or another, but I agree there's a good chance it won't.

However, to say that "femur length has little to do with seat size" is 99.8% incorrect. Perhaps in a perfect world where the a rider could have a saddle custom made for him/herself, that rider may be able to purchase a saddle custom made for his/her leg such that the seat size would be determined only by the size of the rider's own seat, but that is simply not the world that the vast majority of people reading this thread (nor the OP herself) are living in. For an off-the-rack saddle, particularly those saddles not available in a long flap option (as most options within the OP's price range will not have this option available), the length of the rider's leg from hip to knee is absolutely going to dictate, to some degree, what size saddle s/he can ride in. Also, though dressage is certianly ridden with a longer stirrup than jumping, a rider new to dressage (and really, the vast majority of all dressage riders below FEI levels) are going to ride with some bend to their knee. I suppose one could say, "Well, my butt fits in X size saddle, so I'm going to buy one that size regardless of where my leg falls on the flap or how hard I may have to fight against the saddle to maintain a proper position!" Or, in the alternative, one could accept that taller riders do, quite frequently, have to ride in seat sizes larger than their rear ends may otherwise dictate, so as to have their leg fall appropriately on the flap to be supported rather than hindered.

No idea why you feel the need to be so combative about this, but it simply is not correct to say or imply that only fatties need a saddle larger than 17.5".

And regardless of your snide comment, "close contact" is a perfectly acceptable term for a jumping saddle.
    07-17-2012, 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by DraftXDressage    
it simply is not correct to say or imply that only fatties need a saddle larger than 17.5".
Lol! I'm not very heavy, but my legs don't fit in anything smaller than 17'5. 18 is just perfect.
    07-17-2012, 12:17 PM
I'm 5'3" and under 120 lbs and I find anything less than 17" gets a bit tight for my comfort.

I bought my 6 year old a KN (no adjustable gullet) and 3 years later it still fits. You do not need an adjustable saddle. The people that find they need to make drastic adjustments to their saddles for the same horse likely didn't have it fit correctly the first time and are experiencing their cheap saddles warping, and the cheaply done flocking shifting around. Wintec Isabelle's in particular put people in terrible positions and are hard on the back due to the forward pelvis tilt they put everyone in. Not to mention how uncomfortable they must be for the horse.

Good luck!
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    07-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by DraftXDressage    
And regardless of your snide comment, "close contact" is a perfectly acceptable term for a jumping saddle.
I always try post helpful comments on this site and unfortunately this sometimes means correcting others 'facts'. Sorry if you thought my comment snide but 'exceedingly innacurate' is no compliment.

Despite the fact I agree compromises must be made when selecting a saddle (in fact ALL saddle fitting is a compromise in some way), unless you begin the process at least forewarned of the correct principles you've little chance of getting it even half right.

And 'close-contact' is a panel type, not a saddle type. Common usage doesn't make it correct. We'll have to disagree on that.
    07-17-2012, 02:59 PM
Perhaps it is a regional difference, but it is not at all uncommon for reputable tack shops to classify their English saddles into "dressage," "AP," and "close contact." I really fail to see how correting my 'facts' (cute, BTW) on that was at all relevant to the OP's question.
    07-17-2012, 03:47 PM
Green Broke
Any type of saddle can be close contact. A half panel show saddle is called a close contact show saddle so yes in theory Draftxdressage you are incorect in our usage of it. It may well be a regional thing where you are but remember this is an international forum.
    07-17-2012, 03:55 PM
Where I'm at, close contact saddles are jump saddles too.

I suggest going treeless. I have a 14.3 Arab and we go treeless. He's happy, I'm happy. I'm currently riding in a close contact (jumping) saddle on him mostly because he believes himself to be either a Lippizaner or an acrobat. Treeless will fit multiple horses and will adjust if/when he changes shape. I'm currently saving up for a Barefoot Tahoe Classic myself.
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    07-17-2012, 05:29 PM
So my arab has a saddle fitted for someone with a bigger tushie because my sister used to ride in it. I'm five nine and all legs I'm under 125 lbs. And I never slip in it wish I knew the size . For best result for your boy go to a saddle fitter sit in all kinds of saddles and they well give you options for him and you:). O kitten_val is the fit of the saddle compromised any with a saddle that doesn't have the changeable gulletswhen your fitter fits the saddle's panels?

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