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    05-27-2009, 02:06 AM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler    
What are you all thinking of - a curb strap or a lip strap are for use on curb or pelham bits. If you are pulling the bit through your horses mouth then YOU need re-training.
Educate yourself before you vilify others.

Abut 80% of campdrafters use lip straps on snaffle bits. About 60% of people who show Australian Stock Horses use lipstraps on saffle bits. They are very accomplished riders and trainers, and they DO NOT use them for no reason. The fact they are allowed and accepted tack at official ASh shows says something, don't you think?

In high speed, high adrenalin horse sports such as campdrafting, polocrosse, sporting and working ASH classes fast and sharp direction changes at high speed are ALWAYS required. The lip strap helps disperse some of the pressure and stops the bit from becoming uneven in the mouth, or 'pulling through'. This does NOT mean the rider needs more training.

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If your horse opens its mouth as an evasion then use a drop , flash or grackle noseband
A lip strap has nothing to do with evading the bit and has no affect on it. How about if your horse is evading the bit, you do as you suggested, and get more training so you can solve the problem instead of mask it?
     
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    05-27-2009, 02:57 AM
  #12
Yearling
I am educated , been a saddler for 17 years and have made bridlework for a international 3 day event rider - and I don't have any issues with my mare ( unless she gets a sugar diet ) . I was just saying that if a rider is pulling the bit through a horses mouth then perhaps the rider needs to have some training.
I am also aware that competitions need to use extra tack where necessary - I don't use martingales , breastplates , studgirth or anything else , this does not mean that I don't know what they are for. The lady with the original post was talking about pleasure riding.
And a lip strap was designed for use on a curb bit with a curb chain to hold the curb chain should it become un hooked ( official BHS manual of horsemanship description of what a lip strap is for )
     
    05-27-2009, 03:08 AM
  #13
Trained
* First, wanted to apologise for getting a bitheated there, sorry! Saw red for a minute, not sure why. Am back to my normal state of mind now :]

What is BHS? From my understanding a curb strap is designed to be worn with a curb bit. A lip strap is what I and others I know use with a snaffle... It might be a different thing between different countries. Over here most people use curb chains on their own, with leather covers, not straps. I don't think i've ever seen a lip strap used with a curb bit, actually. I know it happens a lot in the US though.
     
    05-27-2009, 03:19 AM
  #14
Yearling
Fully understand your point of view - many people have ' all the gear and no idea ' - nice to find someone else who appear to know a thing or two

A curb or weymouth bit has a hook for a curb chain , which may or may not have a leather cover , and also has what is called a lip strap which should be fitted with the curb chain . The lip strap should stop the curb chain falling off should it become un-hooked.

Many riding schools use a 'flash strap ' on the snaffle bit under the jaw if a pony throws it's head about or a pupil is inexperianced to stop the bit pulling through the mouth. Nothing against such things provided they are used properly or have a purpose , but its not really what it's for.

And the BHS is the British Horse Society , The Manual Of Horsemanship is aa book that has been published ( and updated ) for decades covers all aspects of horsemanship from tack to riding to horse health - and is also the official book of the UK pony club.

The BHS and pony club can be a bit old fashioned and stuck in their old ways sometimes but generally are quite good .
     
    05-27-2009, 09:00 AM
  #15
Showing
I always have a loose curb strap on my snaffles. I ride lots of young horses and sometimes if they decide to fight, the bit can end up on the side of their head and that is always a catastrophe. I use the same bits/bridles on some of my older horses for pleasure riding and don't want to bother with taking it off. Plus, every horse (no matter how broke) can panic to the point of running through cues and my philosophy is that it doesn't hurt anything to have it there and it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. And if your mare does well in a snaffle, then you don't need to change a thing. It will work perfectly. :)

One question for Wild_Spot. Pictures are currently not working on my computer so I don't know if it has been explained by photo. Does a lip strap go over the nose or under the chin like we use in western? Is it the exact same thing with a different name? Stupid question I know but I have not slept and cannot make sense of it to save my life. {:)
     
    05-27-2009, 09:44 AM
  #16
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler    
I am educated , been a saddler for 17 years and have made bridlework for a international 3 day event rider - and I don't have any issues with my mare ( unless she gets a sugar diet ) . I was just saying that if a rider is pulling the bit through a horses mouth then perhaps the rider needs to have some training.
I am also aware that competitions need to use extra tack where necessary - I don't use martingales , breastplates , studgirth or anything else , this does not mean that I don't know what they are for. The lady with the original post was talking about pleasure riding.
And a lip strap was designed for use on a curb bit with a curb chain to hold the curb chain should it become un hooked ( official BHS manual of horsemanship description of what a lip strap is for )

If you have ever ridden a cowy horse who has decided to pick his or her own calf instead of the one s/he is supposed to be after, you will understand the need for the curb strap.
     
    05-27-2009, 11:53 AM
  #17
Showing
When I rode English, the lip strap was used to prevent a horse from lipping the shank of his bit. It ran from the shank to a center link on the chin chain.

lip strap.jpg
     
    05-27-2009, 02:11 PM
  #18
Showing
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Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler    
1) If you are pulling the bit through your horses mouth then YOU need re-training.
2)If your horse opens its mouth as an evasion then use a drop , flash or grackle noseband.

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1) Agree 100%.
2) Slightly disagree; sometimes there is an underlying issue that should be looked at (teeth, saddle fit, bridle fit, type of bit, spine alignment issues) first, before resorting to a different noseband. If you are having to tie a horse's mouth closed, there are usually other underlying issues.
     
    05-27-2009, 09:37 PM
  #19
Weanling
Okay, I'm thinking I can go either way.

Didn't mean for it to get so heated ;)
     
    05-28-2009, 08:27 AM
  #20
Showing
One more thing I will mention is just from looking at the pic of the snaffle that you posted, you may end up wanting to get some bit guards because with the ribbed flat ring, it will be more likely to pinch your horse's mouth. If it fits just right, you may not need it but I just thought I would mention it. :)
     

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