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    01-04-2013, 11:11 AM
I would be wanting Stubben Australia, right? Or else the manufacturer direct? All I want is a year of manufacture. But I've noticed in other threads that they don't keep records longer than a certain amount of time, so is it even worth bothering?

I was sold it as a medium tree, my gelding is a wide in the Bates/Wintec range but I'm told Stubbens tend to be wider as a rule. It's definitely too wide for my filly who is a medium in the Bates/Wintec range... can tell just looking at it and knowing how slender she is.

The makers marks under the skirts have blue on them, so would that mean the green on the tree point buttons is discoloration from age? Or is that just how it's meant to be?

It's beautiful... I gave it a good saddle soaping, and tomorrow I'll probably soap it again and then attack it with some good leather conditioner [if I can find the leather conditioner that is - the dogs like to try to get the tin open!]. It's really coming up nicely. All the residual dust is gone, the leather is so smooth, and it feels like it's really durable. After synthetic saddles for the last four years, it's a bit of an adjustment to go to a leather saddle at all, and I can't wait to ride in it... but first fatass has to stop limping. I think he's hamming it up :P these part Arabs are just too human sometimes.

I'll get it on his back tomorrow even if he's still lame, just for saddle fit photos... I am having a professional come to fit it, because it needs its flocking all replaced, but I want to know if it's close enough in the meantime to ride in with a sheepskin half pad to cushion the hardness and slight lumpiness.
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    01-04-2013, 11:23 AM
Yes, I'd say you have a blue button Stubben, and they've just kind of greened out due to age.

My maker's mark is silver and blue, but that's just because it was made in Switzerland.

A regular medium tree would be a 30 cm. If your gelding takes a wide in other saddles, the 31 cm is probably the better bet for him.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to send the serial number and pictures of the saddle from both sides to Stubben Australia. Include a picture of the maker's mark, as well. They should be able to give you a good idea of the age, if nothing else.

Here's a closeup of the button on my Stubben. As you can see it's plain silver, which means it was made in the 1960s-early 1970s so at the very least it's 45 years old, but I'm betting it's closer to 50.
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    01-04-2013, 11:46 AM
I shot off a quick email. Only managed to attach one photo - my computer doesn't like my email program - but it should be enough. Apparently we don't have Stubben Australia, so I don't know who imports them, but I emailed Stubben UK instead. I didn't think NA would be able to help me because it is the other side of the world we're talking about, but asked that my email please be forwarded to the right address if I sent it to the wrong place.

Your saddle looks AMAZING. I borrowed one a while back that was really narrow, same grain leather, with suede kneepads. It was a dressage, and lovely to ride in but too small for me unfortunately and too narrow for the horse I had at the time. Is that likely to have been from around the same time period as yours? As best I can remember it did have silver buttons but other than that, I don't think I still have any of the photos my mother took of it on the horse I had then. It wasn't in nearly as good condition but I know for a fact it was neglected for nearly 20 years before I borrowed it, and was bought second hand and used for a few years before that.

Edit; to clarify, the saddle I just bought has been beautifully cared for, and the one I borrowed a few years ago was the one that was neglected.
    01-04-2013, 11:50 AM
If it had the silver buttons then yes, it's from the same time period as mine. The suede knee patches were all the rage for awhile. Mine has 'em, too.

I don't think it matters which Stubben branch you contact, as they have a central data base that they all tie into.

Yes, my saddle looks almost brand new. It needed some conditioning when I got it, but there was absolutely nothing else wrong with it. Here are several more pictures of it. Hard to believe it's almost 50 years old, isn't it? Yours will look the same way at 50 as long as you care for it properly.
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    01-04-2013, 12:03 PM
That's incredible, yours doesn't look any more than about 5 years old! I can see a little bit of stirrup wear but other than that, WOW. Stubbens just never bloody die, do they?

I hope I have me a lifetime saddle. I don't think it's going to be a "show" saddle for much longer because a lot of the leather has faded and gone grey, but looked after it could be a "home" saddle for a lifetime. If I had it re-dyed and made black again I think it would be show-ready but that might damage the leather, and it would be difficult, I think, to dye it properly, with the black leather on top, and then the brown/tan leather on the panels. Kind of wish it was brown all over for that very reason. The brown looks gorgeous, it's such a pretty colour, but the black is sort of faded.
    01-04-2013, 12:13 PM
You might try a light oiling with pure Neatsfoot oil to see if that will bring some of the color back. That stuff is like liquid magic, just don't use too much!

Yep, except for a small bit of stirrup wear on the panels, my saddle looks fantastic. You're right, as long as someone takes care of them, Stubben saddles last just about forever.

My goal is to one day own a German made Stubben. I had one but it was humongous, so I sold it on. It was sold to me as an 18" seat, and it turned out to be a 19" which is just far too big. It was custom made for a German cavalry officer. I have pictures of it too, even though it belongs to someone else now.
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    01-04-2013, 12:26 PM
Good idea, I didn't think of neatsfoot. I will have to get some next time I'm at the tack store [I buy most tack online, because it's cheaper, and we no longer have a tack store in town; we have to drive to the next city].

That cavalry officer must have been a tall fellow! 19 inch, wow, that's enormous.
    01-04-2013, 12:30 PM
Biggest dang saddle I've ever seen! LOL! I pulled it out of the shipping box and burst out laughing.

The lady who sold it to me was his daughter and she doesn't ride, so I couldn't blame her for not knowing the right seat size. It was also a fairly narrow saddle, and she said it was a medium. Nawp. I pegged it at 28 cm.
    01-04-2013, 12:33 PM
Well maybe she was basing it off her understanding of other brands' sizing? There isn't a standardized system, which means that a medium in one brand can be a narrow in another, and an extra-wide in yet another. And as for the seat size, maybe she just assumed because it was a big saddle. I know you said she doesn't ride but that doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't know anything!
    01-04-2013, 12:36 PM
Oh, she told me right off the bat she didn't know a thing about saddles or riding as her father was the one who rode, and she didn't really care for horses.

Very nice lady, but admittedly clueless. I took a chance on the saddle and knew if it didn't work for me, I could always sell it on. German made Stubbens, especially larger seats, are very much in demand.

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