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post #1 of 5 Old 12-10-2012, 03:42 PM Thread Starter
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Stubben vs. Pessoa vs Bates

Hello! Ok so I'm looking for a general consensus here, and any comments are greatly appreciated. My question is pretty straightforward, which saddle is a better buy? I've been looking at saddles and I've found some nice used Stubbens and Pessoas in my price range, but I'm not sure which brand to look for more. Pessoas seem to be overall priced higher and a little bit harder to find, while the Stubbens have a lot of cheaper styles that I'm not interested in, but I've found a few good deals on Edelweiss, and one Seigfried and one LeConcours. Also, I found a few deals on Bates Caprilli saddles and I've heard a lot of good things about those. After all this research I still feel lost! If you could choose out of these three, which would you buy?

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post #2 of 5 Old 12-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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Basically, it's just personal preference, and which one best fits your horse.

I'm a Stubben fan, but there are others who can't stand them. I like the older, vintage saddles because they're beautiful works of art that will last just about forever. If you can get a German made Stubben, you'll have gotten a real treasure.

Pessoas are kind of hit and miss, and a lot of it has to do with when they were made. I've heard the older ones are great saddles, but the newer ones not so much.

Bates are synthetic, so not really comparable to leather saddles.

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Thanks for the input! I didn't know that the Bates Caprillis were all synthetic, I thought some were leather. How can you tell if a saddle is an older version? Just based on wear and age I guess? Or can you just tell based on the actual year it was made?
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Bates are leather. Wintec is synthetic. BTW - I have two Bates Caprillis that are sitting in my den unused. If you could use a 17.5" CC saddle, or an 18" AP saddle, send me a PM.

FWIW - I like the leather on the Bates. The interchangeable gullets are interchangeable, but it isn't something you want to do often. I changed mine once for a different horse, and once as the new horse changed size a little. I usually end up cussing a lot when changing the gullets. They must hire actors to smile in the Bates ads.

Bates has CAIR, Some people like it. I do not. My horses like it fine & they move well with the saddles, but I would prefer a flocked saddle. I suspect a lot comes down to individual taste and the shape of your horse. My AP saddle is flatter on the bottom than my CC saddle, although they are both Bates Caprilli saddles. Go figure...

I ended up drifting into using an Australian-style stock saddle, and there is a good chance I'll keep using them. They make more sense for how I ride (which is marginally!) and my horses (a bit spooky!). I tried riding in the AP saddle yesterday for the first time in 6 months, and felt really weird.

If at all possible, sit in the type of saddle you are thinking about before you buy. If you buy without seeing the saddle, you are taking a chance. If you buy new, make sure you know what their return program is.
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Whatever fits your horse and your own butt would be your choice. Personally I'm not a fan of either Stubben or Pessoa, and would pick Bates, but to each own. I know people who are in love with those brands.
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