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post #21 of 30 Old 12-05-2012, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by InsaneDino View Post
Ahh... I see.
Is your o-ring snaffle a single joint? If so, do you have any complaints about it?
Single joint smooth snaffle. No complaints at all. He won't push through it. I can wrap him around my leg so tight that he has to think wide to turn around a barrel.
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post #22 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 05:19 PM
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Oh crap!! I'm in trouble then!

QUICK INDIE! get that out of your mouth!

Grabby hands! Where'd ya get that headstall huh?
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post #23 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 05:29 PM
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If he's pulling hard enough on it that you are needing to put a lot of weight behind your hands or you are heavy on his mouth or you need to see saw on him then it will nutcracker but surely if that was the case you'd be looking for a stronger bit anyway?
If he's relaxed, supple, easy & light to respond to your hands then dont worry
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All bits can* cause pain ! I have definitely caused my horse pain in a single jointed When he spun around from spooking and i bopped him in the mouth so hard (didn't mean to) he had his mouth open for a couple of seconds. When he bolted for the first time and i had to pull back (pressure and release) and see saw with all my weight for him to stop, i had no idea how to stop him other than pull back because Whoa wouldn't work and i didn't have much experience cantering in the paddock behind his best friend :/. A bit is a training tool that can* causes pain, or allot of pressure depending on how you use the tool.

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post #25 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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The nutcracker effect on a single joint mouth piece comes from pull back hard on both reins at the same time. If you are starting young horses, which mostly snaffles are used for(western), you don't pull on both reins at the same time anyhow. You use one rein or the other and teaching them to follow their nose. Even further along in their training and you are using the outside/supporting rein there is slightly more pressure on the inside rein and you shouldn't have to pull that hard to create the nutcracker.

As far as the ring style, some depends on the discipline you ride and how you want the pressure applied on the opposite side of his face/lip . However I was told that a loose ring if used properly, will create a little lift and has a tiny bit of pre-signal by lifting your rein and allowing the ring to slide through the mouth piece.

I believe it is trial and error in finding a style that a horse prefers.

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Grabby hands! Where'd ya get that headstall huh?
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post #27 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 06:27 PM
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I should just point out that to get a nutcracker action from a single-jointed snaffle bit you would need to put pressure on the mouthpiece at right-angles to it ie. inwards, towards the horse's cheeks. If you think about it this is clearly impossible using reins. 'Nutcracker' ascribes a bit action that never happens in real life unless you run a rein through both bit rings, under the horse's chin, and pull hard.

However, a single jointed bit will squeeze a horse's tongue, which many don't like. To get an idea of the effect, hold your (bare) arm horizontally and lay a bit over your forearm, then with your opposite hand pull down on the reins while resisting the downward movement. Obviously the horse's mouth is a lot more sensitive than an arm but it'll help show how the bit effect must feel, and the importance of light rein aids :)

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post #28 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by InsaneDino View Post
I've heard mostly bad stuff about single jointed full cheek snaffles. Everybody says that they have a nutcracker action that hurts the horse. It's not clear with light cues. Horses like to brace against it. It's not good for lateral flexion. Blah blah blah.

People say that the full cheek shouldn't be used because it can get caught on things. They are only for starting young or fresh horses. You shouldn't jump in one (I never understood why they say that...) etc.
These people are out to lunch. The full cheek snaffle is one of the milder bits.

The whole "nutcracker" thing is overblown too. People have been using single jointed snaffles for centuries. All bits put pressure somewhere that's kind of the point!
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post #29 of 30 Old 12-06-2012, 07:31 PM
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My sister's Arabian mare (looks astonishingly like your horse) went very kindly in that bit for most of her life, as a low-level jumper, trail horse, and best friend. Her son did well in a full cheek with a French link, then moved to a loose ring double jointed bit (fat round middle link, instead of flat.)
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Single jointed snaffles (the others aren't snaffles) are the mainstay bit in the UK. I learned on them and alway use them for schooling and often on the trails. One horse preferred a loose ring after trying an egg butt (too thick) D ring (too thin). I have one horse that likes the eggbutt and the other likes the D ring. If your horse is doing fine with the bit then don't listen to others. The snaffle works on the lips. Take your pinky and lightly stroke/feather one rein and she how easily she will respond.
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