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post #21 of 54 Old 06-23-2010, 04:36 PM
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Haha no worries, I have my saddle preferences as well ;) Just thought I'd get the word out - I was super excited to hear that there are "old Collegiate" (hah) saddles available.


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post #22 of 54 Old 06-23-2010, 05:33 PM Thread Starter
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Mkay, thanks everyone! I'm really on the fence now, too, because I've sat in an HDR De-something [Going to the tack shop again tomorrow to see it again] and I loved that one as well. Both saddles seem to fit me well when I sit in them on the saddle-trying stand thing, but who knows when I get them on Zip! =] The HDR is about a grand, and the wintec is about 650, so... yeah, price tempts me towards the Wintec... Hm.
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If I could get my hands on the Wintec 500 Close Contact saddle, I'd take it for sure.

I used to ride in a Wintec 500 A/P for a long time and for what it was, it was a nice saddle. I used it for gosh....since I came to Michigan up to this year 2010 - and at that time I would of defended it to death, until I learnt how poor the saddle was fit wise for my TB, and for me.

Unfortunately, Wintec/Bates - and it's not just them, but all saddle brands out there, don't inform or educate possible buyers/owners that the saddles truely do accomodate horses with flat backs because of how strait their tree's are. And I dislike that they say the Gullet Change System allows their saddles to fit any horse, when that is very untrue.

BUT on the positive side, they are well made saddles for their 'quality'. They are strong, sturdy, can withstand all weather elements and can go through snow, water, wind, heat and still remain in great condition.

The All Purpose didn't work well for me, because of how A/P's place you position wise, and I honestly thought it was me and myself that created the problem, instead of the saddle - until I got into my now current saddle, and how it put me in a position with ease.

Now, I've ridden in the Wintec 500 CC, and I like that the tree shape accomodates a horse with an arched back like typical TB's, and I like that it is a CC and puts you in the proper position in stead of semi.

Honestly, if I could get my hands on a 17.5" - 18" Wintec 500 CC, I would get it.

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Collegiates - I really like the Colliegate Convertible Diploma and the Alumni...I think it is the Alumni....?

I have seen the Diploma in person, handled it, put it on my horse and rode in it. Very nice saddle, and I was saving up my $ to get one, until my Coach showed me her previous saddle, my now current saddle and I ended up getting that instead.

The Diploma was very comfortable, put me in the correct position and I felt very secure in it.

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Have you tried the M.T's that are on sale at Classic? The Celine is on sale for $799 at Classic - very nice saddles!

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Yep, I tried a variety of them, but none seemed to fit my femur well enough. If I'm going to switch saddles, I'm finally going to save up and get something that fits me perfectly, rather than "just ok."
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I completely agree - but don't forget about Zip and the fit on him.

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post #27 of 54 Old 06-23-2010, 06:23 PM
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well I don't ride english but I ride western and I have a wintec saddle. I ABSOLUTELY love it. So comfy and lightweight. Sadly it's a bit snug on me.I still use it untill I get a new one. I need a 16" instead of a 15". Anyways they are reasonable and the saddle is a good fit for my hard to fit girl.
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And I dislike that they say the Gullet Change System allows their saddles to fit any horse, when that is very untrue.
The amount of people that believe this is redonkulous! And now you can get a gullet change on so many saddles, Wintec/Bates, Thorowgood (FISH system), some new Pessoas, etc, people are buying saddles they think they can ride every horse with.
Drives me nuts!

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I know it - just because you can adjust the saddle to accomodate a narrow horse or a medium or a wide, doesn't mean you are making the saddle fit.

The tree's are still strait - regardless of how much you tinker with the "gullets", the tree's are still strait. And what about those horses who are A Symetrical?

Those who use it as a marketing tool, have obviously done a good job at it because look at how many who believe it and buy their products? Unfortunately, those are the one's who aren't "educated" in saddle fit - I was one of them.

I thought that these saddles were your "Cookie Cutter" "Fit one, fit all" saddles - but that's because I was thinking Width, not length. I was thinking width, not shape.

I dislike the shape of the pannels as well, and I dislike the measurement of the gap between the panels, I find that they don't allow the spine to be free nor the muscles around the spine. You are supposed to beable to fit 3 to 4 fingers between the panels at the cantle, and I can barely get 2.

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I know it - just because you can adjust the saddle to accomodate a narrow horse or a medium or a wide, doesn't mean you are making the saddle fit.

The tree's are still strait - regardless of how much you tinker with the "gullets", the tree's are still strait. And what about those horses who are A Symetrical?

Those who use it as a marketing tool, have obviously done a good job at it because look at how many who believe it and buy their products? Unfortunately, those are the one's who aren't "educated" in saddle fit - I was one of them.

I thought that these saddles were your "Cookie Cutter" "Fit one, fit all" saddles - but that's because I was thinking Width, not length. I was thinking width, not shape.

I dislike the shape of the pannels as well, and I dislike the measurement of the gap between the panels, I find that they don't allow the spine to be free nor the muscles around the spine. You are supposed to beable to fit 3 to 4 fingers between the panels at the cantle, and I can barely get 2.
The problem is that people forget that gullet is only one aspect of saddle fit - you also have tree shape, composition of the panels, plus the general overall FIT. As well as the fit to the rider themself. People see what marketing has provided - a saddle that will "fit" every horse. Then they write cheques!

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