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post #11 of 14 Old 06-05-2012, 03:56 PM Thread Starter
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The first idea was that I get her ready for the owner's little sister.... She is very easy to ride, especially in the arena, on the trails, sometimes she has her moods, but who doesnt... The problem is the groun care.... We dont know why, but she is very agressive to foreign people... She only had no problem with her owner, anyone else she would kick out of the stable or paddock.... When I first met her, I only touched her with the rubber cleaning thing and suddenly I was lying in the broken fence.... Took me a year before I was able to tack her, to groom her without her woner holding her.... There were many whiplashes, many curses many broken ribs (of mine) and many many many bruises on my stomach and legs... And we finally made it, she stands still shile tacking, while grooming, etc... But when someone foreign appears, she would go like crazy, doesnt allw them to touch her, or even groom.... When the vet has to come twice a year, three people hold her, she is fed by some chilling herbals for a week and even though she almost kills us all while being vaccinated.... Once the vet leaves, I can deworm her myslef without eve holding her on a lead rope....
If it was only problem of the "not-knowing the people"-the little girl will just come to her as much as possible and she would go along.... But the problem is that she eve becomes really agressive... she is very dominant character, and since she is in the herd with big horses, she is totally submissive in that herd... So she tries her luck on people.... And the problem is, that she knows who she can treat like that and who not. I call her, she comes, she doesnt allow herself to move while grooming, tacking, she takes the bit herself, and the moment I touch her leg she lifts it and holds until I say "down" (wchich makes me sometimes problem while bandaging ). But the moment someone other comes to her, she gets her ears backwards and goes against the man coming... We cannot imagine putting a child to her....

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post #12 of 14 Old 06-05-2012, 04:13 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by unclearthur View Post
Okay - here's just a few. Please bear in mind these are just for information, not criticism.
(i) Saddle balance is wrong - it's biased too far forward (pommel is too low)
(ii) Saddle is too long - the rear panel is off the horse's back because of point (i). It is possible to have a shorter panel with the same tree-length
(iii) The pommel drops when the saddle is girthed up because either (a) the tree's too wide (unlikely, IMO) or (b) the panel needs stuffing to match the horse's shape (much more likely, IMO). From the pictures I also think the tree is a bit too curved to fit your horse's fairly flat back without flock alterations, though a shorter tree would probably fit a little better.

Your comment about saddlers is hilarious but unfortunately all too common. They're saddle retailers, not fitters :(

And to many eyes he is a bit small for you :)
I may agree with all of your points but (iii)....
(i) I tried a narrower gullet (it has gulet change as wintec saddles), but it seemed to me like it is pinching round her spine, like too narrow... And she moved wierdly, not in walk, but in trot, she would drop her head low and up and low,.... And I also tried a wider one, but when I mounted, it touched the spine... :(
(ii) Well my financial opions are very limited... I tried several leather saddles, and from this one, she seemed to me most satisfied. I now got some bonuses at work, so I am looking for a Wintec 500 VSD-it doesnt have so forward shaped flaps as AP, but not so long as dressage one... I hope Wintec will be better quality then this one.
(iii)Why I disagree-it doesnt need to bu stuffed nor are they too wide... this saddle is plastic ****, made as cheap wintec.... and the gullets there and the slim plastic tree is not very solid.... It just happens to get wider and wider by time.... but not in a range of monhs, but in a range of few rides.... I measured herback by wintec measurer as "medium wide".... and I am using "medium narrow" gullet in this one. Was quite narrow for the first ride... but then it got down like that.... It's just some plastic **** shich doesnt have one specific shape.... But still the best fit she has had in two years of getting a new saddle :(

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post #13 of 14 Old 06-05-2012, 04:27 PM
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The steel wasn't tempered properly then, so it spreads. You get similar problems with cheap Far East saddles, but with these the arch plates are so thin they flex, loosen the rivets and eventually the whole arch collapses :(

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post #14 of 14 Old 06-05-2012, 04:38 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by unclearthur View Post
The steel wasn't tempered properly then, so it spreads. You get similar problems with cheap Far East saddles, but with these the arch plates are so thin they flex, loosen the rivets and eventually the whole arch collapses :(
That was also why i wanted a new one. From her age of 3 she was ridden in one indian saddle crap... holds till today, but I have a friend in a tack store and she said she saw this saddles inside and would never give that on her horses.... She has all her saddles custom made, and she got once to me to see Liza. What she told about the saddle was we have now was "Well, It's not that bad. Big horses' saddles will just not fit properly to a pony"...
And the indian crap made my legs go too forward :(

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