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        08-11-2013, 11:05 PM
      #21
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Eole    
    I don't know the Torsion, but I have a Cheyenne.
    Both horses I use it on move very well with it and seem happy.
    I had to get acustomed to it, I didn't initially like the feeling of being "perched" away from the back. I think it molds to the horse's back with time and that feeling lessens.

    With a treeless, you can put it more forward than a treed saddle, but it will always settle back where it belongs. I think you and your horse might be happier in a size 1. On most pictures, the Barefoot seemed more level than the Torsion. Is the Torsion pushing you backward while riding?

    With any treeless, I'd put a pad with inserts to help clear the spine.
    The pommel: do you know what size you have? If it's too narrow, it can be a site of pressure/discomfort on the wither. You could have it changed for a soft pommel, especially if you ride different types of horses. That's what I have and it didn't change the stability of the saddle.
    I think you're right about the size 1 Cheyenne being better, I know she has one, and I keep thinking about asking her if she would consider trading. A lot of the reason I bought that Torsion was to get the smaller size.

    I really think the Torsion would work with a firmer pad. The Skito has optional felt inserts, I need to talk with Tom at Skito to see what we can do.

    Looking again at the picture, I see the Torsion did slide back on Chivas while I was riding. It does sit a little different, the pommel felt wider on the Torsion than the Cheyenne. I at first thought that was better being wider, but now I wonder if it was pressing on his withers or something.

    Chivas may be happier with the Cheyenne cause it feels more like a treed saddle that he's used to.

    Overall, I am not sorry that I bought them, and I still think treeless is the way to go with him. I am sorry I didn't spend a little more and buy the Cheyenne from somewhere that I could exchange it if it didn't fit.

    I think the Torsion looks like it sits better on most of the horses, except Drambuie. The Cheyenne should be better for him, but since I have a Big Horn endurance that fits him great, I probably won't need the Cheyenne for him.

    The Cheyenne seems to be popping up a bit in the back on the pictures, I wish the billets were a V shape adjustable kind. But of course the saddle goes down on their back once you sit in it.
         
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        08-12-2013, 12:20 AM
      #22
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eole    
    BTW, Chivas is very good-looking!
    Thank you! I think he is beautiful too, I fell in love with him online and drove up to Kentucky to get him. He is the most perfect horse, except not quite fast enough to do endurance. But we're working on that too!
         
        08-12-2013, 12:33 AM
      #23
    Showing
    Because these saddles are treeless they cannot distribute weight or pressure over the length of the bars. They should not be cinched up as tight as a treed saddle and the rider should ride with a long stirrup to reduce the weight of the legs on the stirrups. By not doing this horses get uncomfortable and often develop sore spots.
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        08-12-2013, 12:38 AM
      #24
    Green Broke
    I don't know anything about Torsion saddles. I have a couple friends with the Barefoot saddles and they do hold up over time. If you normally ride in a 15" saddle then you would probably like the size 1 better.
    It looks like the Torsion is a better fit in most the picts.
    I have a Skeeto pad that I ride with my treed saddle. It's got about 1/4" foam inserts. I really love it.
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        08-12-2013, 12:51 AM
      #25
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    They should not be cinched up as tight as a treed saddle and the rider should ride with a long stirrup to reduce the weight of the legs on the stirrups. By not doing this horses get uncomfortable and often develop sore spots.
    This is good to know, thanks. I had the stirrups too short on the Torsion plus they are heavy! I plan to take the advice of PH and use the Barefoot leather & stirrups on both saddles.
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        08-12-2013, 12:56 AM
      #26
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flytobecat    
    If you normally ride in a 15" saddle then you would probably like the size 1 better.
    It looks like the Torsion is a better fit in most the picts.
    I have a Skeeto pad that I ride with my treed saddle. It's got about 1/4" foam inserts. I really love it.
    I wish I had bought the Cheyenne in the size 1. I think the saddle would fit so much better that way!

    I am loving the Equipedic pad too and plan to try it with my treed saddles too. You are right about the Torsion looking like it fits all the horses better, but I wonder if that is just because it's smaller???
         
        08-12-2013, 01:02 AM
      #27
    Green Broke
    I don't think it's the size of the seat that's the problem. As I'm looking at the picture you posted of them together off the horse, the Cheyenne just looks like it sits forward more.
         
        08-12-2013, 02:26 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eole    
    BTW, Chivas is very good-looking!
    Here is a picture of his "pretty" side in his 15" Fabtron treed saddle
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        08-12-2013, 02:40 AM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flytobecat    
    I don't think it's the size of the seat that's the problem. As I'm looking at the picture you posted of them together off the horse, the Cheyenne just looks like it sits forward more.
    My treed saddles do that too when they sit on a straight bar. The Barefoot has more structure to it than the Torsion. That being said, the Torsion seems to sit lower at the back, the Cheyenne seems to pop up in the back. Weird!
         
        08-12-2013, 04:00 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    2nd tryout

    I rode again on both saddles this morning making adjustments as you all suggested. Using the Cheyenne leathers on the Torsion per PH, longer stirrups & looser girth per Saddlebag, and adjusting placement per Flytobecat (although I went more forward, not back).

    I rode in the Torsion again first, with the leathers & stirrups from the Barefoot. I was pleased to find it really easy to change the leathers because I could take them both off without detaching the leathers from the holder! (see pic below) I was really excited about this feature of the Barefoot saddle, but later found out the problem with this!!

    Anyway, I placed the leathers directly over the existing rings on the Torsion. I thought this would make the saddle horribly lumpy, but the super cusion Torsion seat prevented me from feeling them at all!

    I set the Torsion back farther on Chivas, where it slid to after my ride the other day. I could once again feel every move of Chivas's back while feeling like I was sitting on a very soft pillow. The leathers made a huge difference, and I was much more comfortable being in a Dressage position again. To me, the saddle felt wonderful.

    Chivas was much happier too, no bit chomping at all today with the Torsion. He was moving easy, but I could tell my boney seatbones were bothering him so I sat up more on my crotch to give him relief. He also was going kind of slow and plodding with his head lowered. I got the feeling that he felt weighted down.

    He had no problem moving his shoulders, and was willing to rack & canter, but did not go very fast and slowed up quickly. I rode the same 1 mile as Saturday, but more walking cause I felt I was hurting him.

    We met up with some wasps near the end, and he perked up a bit, but we got away with out any landing or stinging so he was very willing to walk the rest of the way.

    The saddle did slip a little when I got on, even though I used a mounting block. When I dismounted, I kept my foot in the stirrup too long and the whole saddle twisted to the side!

    So much for a loose girth

    Overall, I liked the Torsion, especially for me, but I wouldn't want to use it for long distance or hard riding without a more supportive pad.

    1st picture before ride, second after ride:
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