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post #1 of 14 Old 08-19-2010, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
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Question Treeless Saddles?

I was thinking of maybe buying a treeless saddle (western), though I don't know much about them. I don't want to use google, because I was sort of hoping to hear from people who have actually ridden in them (or know about them) & get their oppinion
I have an arabian & a quarab (though id use it mainly on the arab) if that makes a difference.
I've heard that it feels similar to riding bareback ?? I don't mind that, but do they slip easily?
What do you guys think?
If you have pics, lets see them & what are price ranges?

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post #2 of 14 Old 08-19-2010, 04:29 PM
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I hear a lot of people say good things about them, but I personally wouldn't buy one. I took lessons with someone who used a treeless English saddle on her horses, and both of the times her horses had a bad spook, I fell off and broke my arm. A few months later, she fell off and broke her neck. It mind sound like we're terrible riders or they were crazy horses, but I think the saddle had something to do with it. I never fell off my 3-year-old spooky Thoroughbred in a regular English saddle. My opinion is that the treeless saddle gives you false security because you ride in it like you would in a regular saddle, but it is not as stable when the horse spooks or bucks. Other people might disagree, but that is my opinion.
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I have heard of them but unfortunatly don't have and info of them.

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Anyone else?? THere has got to be more people who've tried them lol.
And 2horses, was this because the saddle slipped? Or did the riders just come off when the horse spooked?
To me it seems that without a tree, they'de be sort of like a bareback pad & would slide around...??
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uhh, well I heard they don't add the support needed
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And 2horses, was this because the saddle slipped? Or did the riders just come off when the horse spooked?
To me it seems that without a tree, they'de be sort of like a bareback pad & would slide around...??
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The first time for me, the saddle slipped to the side. The second time, the horse bucked, and the saddle just gave no support or stability. Nobody knows the details of what happened to my friend because she doesn't remember the incident.

Most of the time, the saddle didn't slip around; and that's why I think they give a false sense of security because most of the time, they feel like a regular saddle, but in the moments you need more stability, they don't provide it.
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I wouldn't buy one.
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A treeless saddle only slips if not properly tighten.

Last august while riding my arab Gaaylah (11 yr old 14.1 SER arab mare) in my sports saddle (treeless) with breast collar and my friend was riding Zar (14.3 hh arab gelding) in a wintec endurance saddle (yes that has a tree) we were charged by a deer. Now, both of us came off. I am not sure how I did as I don't remember much. But my horses saddle didnt slip. My friends saddle did. And I out weight her by oh.. 60 or 70lbs. (I was 240 and she was/is 170? Maybe less). And my comign off had nothing to do with my saddle (more like I was knocked in the head because gaaylah bucks a liek a bronc coming out of the chute.

I have ridden in my sports saddle for over ten yrs. I love it. My horses love it. I endurance ride in it. I trail ride for multiple hours in lots of different terrain in it. It is light (about 25lbs with all accersories) and very very sturdy. I have had it on a multitude of different backs, withers and shoulders. The only one it had trouble fitting was my mom's "built like a brick ****house mutton withered (ie non-exsistent) arab/app gelding. I have trouble getting a full qt bared treed to sit right on him. Its like sitting on a really really wide slick barrel.

I feels different to different people. Of course I always used to ride bareback so maybe it don't notice how different it is form a treed saddle. My mother didnt care for it, hated feeling the horse's muscles move. To me that gives me an extra microsecond to counter act any spook/buck/bolt/naughty behavior that they are thinking out committing.

Price ranges- very cheap ($100) to very very expensive ($3-4000). I got mine off tack trader.com, second hand (and I am still using it 10 yrs later this is a very sturdy saddle!), second user for $500. Sports saddles hold their worth (new they run from $900 to $1200 depending on type and extras).

The horse in my icon is wearing my saddle. That's Magic, my 10 yr old space alien monkey magic carpet ride. I'll post a pic here.

I am using a cashel softsaddle- saddle pad with it. And now I have my thinline to put under it to help with cooling. Magic is a real sweater.


I highly recommend doinga google search. YOu can get postings to other threads on different websites about treeless.

BTW mine isnt a "true" treeless. Its a hybrid. Since now they have they ahve the "true" treeless (like the Senasation and the Ansur) mine is considered a hybrid. Of course those "true" ones didnt exsit back whenmine was on the market brand new. Course they still make them this way. Mine has a solid cantle and pommel. Still it has no "tree." distinctions distinctions!
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Id love to try one without buying first. Our tack shop in town doesnt sell them & im not sure if my 2nd-hand dealer has any at the moment either!

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post #10 of 14 Old 08-20-2010, 02:07 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone else?
If I were to get one, this would most likely be the horse id use it on. Anything I should know?
Also, I know there are different styles (english, western, etc) I would be getting a western if I do get one...
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