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    06-10-2013, 05:13 PM
Used Saddles: Potential Buys (With Pictues!)

I am looking to buy a used saddle to be used for schooling/schooling shows. Here are two that I've come across and I wanted to know what everyone thinks. I know little about purchasing used saddle (besides correct fit for my horse and I) and need some help in determining what might be the best bet, since I can't see them in person. In the mean time, I am still looking for other saddles to compare with. Please help!

Saddle #1 is a Stubben Kerry, made in Ireland. It has some cracks on the bottom, and I'm wondering how serious this is? The tree is reported to be sound (my biggest concern) and apparently it is currently in useable condition.
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    06-10-2013, 05:15 PM
Saddle #2 is a Studden Sigfried. Also reported to be strucutrally sound (which is really all that matters to me).
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    06-10-2013, 05:57 PM
Oh, um, that should have been pictures. Oops!
    06-10-2013, 06:57 PM
Both saddles are the solid, great Stubbens that last forever with proper care. Both the Kerry and Siegfried put you in a great position and are very secure. Both have very strong trees.

For both saddles, you should get picture taken directly from the front and directly from the back so you can eyeball the tree straightness. On the Kerry, the one picture kind-of shows this, but it's at a slight angle, so hard to tell for sure. It looks straight. On both saddles, you need to ask for the condition of the padding inside the knee-rolls, and the condition of the flocking (is it hard or lumpy - then you need a reflock)

The Kerry. Nearside billets are good, so the offside ones are probably good as well. I'd get pics of the offside ones to be sure. The cracks in the leather on the panels isn't really very important. Those are pretty slight, and may just be a defect or the grain in the leather. If they don't go through the leather, just give a good conditioning, and they'll be fine.

The Siegfried: You need pics of the underside and both billet-sets.

The Kerry looks to be better cared-for.

What are the asking prices on these?

If you look on eBay competed listing for the Siegfried (not so many Kerrys out there), you'll see they go for anywhere from $150-$500 depending on the condition and what someone happened to be willing to pay that day.
    06-10-2013, 10:56 PM
Both are asking $250. Thank you so much for your help! I am liking the Kerry, but the flocking on it is advertised as "a bit squished down", but the lady says it should be some time before it'll need to be replaced. It's coming from a consignment store, BTW.

Also, the cracks in the leather on the Kerry don't go all the way through.
    06-10-2013, 11:05 PM
Assuming the trees and billets are good, $250 is a fair price for either one. Will the consignment store allow a return or trial if it doesn't fit right or you don't like it? They usually do. That's worth a bit right there. Personally, I'd pick the Kerry over the Siegfried if they're the same price. It just looks more loved. But get the additional pics of the Siegfried. It might just need a good cleaning. And if the flocking is in better shape, it's definitely worth considering. "Squished down" is OK as long as it's not hard or lumpy. You can always put a Thinline pad or something decent under if it's squished down. If it's lumpy, you're toast. Rock-hard is pretty difficult to deal with too.
And you do know that the older Stubbens have a really hard seat? If that's an issue, you might want to consider a tush-cush or sheepskin or something. I like the hard seat personally. I feel more in touch with the hrose that on a padded seat.
    06-10-2013, 11:45 PM
I haven't heard back about the Siegfried yet, but I agree that the Kerry does look more loved. I just like the look of it more. I like the seat of older Stubbens too, which is one of the reasons why I'm shopping for one, so that's not an issue. Thanks for your feedback. I have been feeling a bit alone in the saddle searching process and your input really helped :)
    06-11-2013, 10:37 AM
I can't help but wonder if the black on the rolls is from black pants or chaps that bled or mold. If mold, not good. Don't stick you nose there to find out as you may inhale bad stuff. If it comes off on your fingers there's a good chance it's mold. If so, walk away. You can't be exposing yourself or others to it. The black coloration is too high for dye. The expense involved to remedy this isn't worth it. These are lower end saddles. A quick clue is the rusted stirrup bars. Better saddles use better quality steel.
    06-11-2013, 02:28 PM
Interesting point. In regards to the possibility of mold, I assume you're referring primarily to the Siegfried? I see a bit of black on the Kerry as well, but it seems very slight.

Also, I didn't know about the rusted steel thing. That's very interesting. I've always been happy with the quality of Stubbens, but then again that's the best I've ridden in. I know that the Kerry is around 30 years old, so I wasn't too concerned about the rust on the stirrup bars, but it's interesting to note what you've mentioned.
    06-11-2013, 07:58 PM
The first saddle seems ok. Don't worry about the fine cracks in the leather, they are merely surface cracks. The billets look good, don't appear stretched.

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