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post #11 of 31 Old 09-27-2009, 05:33 PM
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Like most pieces of tack a Flash is often abused and missunderstood

Yes a Flash is used to assist in keeping a horses mouth closed - but it should not be tight.

A Flash is also used to help with the position of the bit in a horses mouth.

The Flash noseband originally developed for an English showjumper who was called ' Flash ' . He needed to ride his horse in a drop noseband and a standing martingale - as you should not fit a standing martingale to a Drop but to a Cavesson the Falsh noseband was made to serve both purposes.

There is nothing wrong with a Flash noseband, just the idiots who fit it incorrectly - and you are always going to get people like that.

To those that say that you should not need one , they are partly correct , but not every horse is perfect and not everyone has hours and hours every day to train their horse .

I ride one of my horses in a flash noseband - I like the look of it on my mare, I do not have it tight - do not use it to clamp her mouth shut but to help with the position of the bit in her mouth.
Ingrid is happy in her mouth with a simple snaffle and a Flash, I am happy with the bit/bridle that we have so there is no problem.
Yes!!

Flash nose bands are not for clamping the horse's mouth shut! Anyone that tries to tell you that is why they exist or that they actually work in this regard is an idiot. If you really want to clamp a horse's mouth shut then buy an extra wide padded crank cavesson, they work very nicely.
All a tight flash does is pull the cavesson down on the horse's face and reduce that nice "clamping" action that the crank provides.
I ride in a flash because first of all it looks nice, and second of all my horse is very sensitive to bit pressure. Any extra jiggle caused by the snaffle rings is like white noise, nagging or an un-intended aid to him.
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post #12 of 31 Old 09-27-2009, 05:51 PM
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I like the way they look to be honest. I have one on one bridle of mine for decretive purposes, and I always have it on very loose. And I suppose my figure eight nose band has a flash as well, but I have that so that the nostrils can be opened all the way.
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love that post from woff's article MIE! and i don't believe in flashes. i use a fig 8 on my one horse b/c he used to bolt and he grinds his teeth. we've since corrected the problem (lots of trot, dentist, etc.), but well it's his bridle haha and so it's on there, but it's so stretched out it doesn't do anything anymore.

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Is A Grackle Not Pretty Much The Same As A Flash? Its Getting There Mouth Strapped Shut To Stop Them Crossing There Jaw.
I Used 2 Use A Flash On Oscar Beacuse Id Personally Rather Ride Him With A Flash And An Eggbut Snaffle Then Ride Him In A 3 Ring Gag. I Dont Need To Use The Flash Anymore! Its Served Its Purpose And I Feel I Dont Need It Anymore

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oh and for my horse the fig 8 (aka grackle) also did nothing to stop him from grinding his teeth nor stop the bolting lol.

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Thats What THey're Designed Too Do

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No flash nor figure 8 will fix a bolting horse.

The Figure 8 was created to prevent the horse who likes to cross their jaw, from crossing their jaw. That's it. Nothing more, Nothing less.

And to those who use the flash beacuse their horses open their mouths to evade the bit - then you have holes missing in both you and your horses training. Clear indication that the Training Scale is not present

Your horse is gaping their mouths for a reason - and it wont be fixed, only muted, by using a flash.

Read Jim Woffords Article.

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No flash nor figure 8 will fix a bolting horse.

The Figure 8 was created to prevent the horse who likes to cross their jaw, from crossing their jaw. That's it. Nothing more, Nothing less.

And to those who use the flash beacuse their horses open their mouths to evade the bit - then you have holes missing in both you and your horses training. Clear indication that the Training Scale is not present

Your horse is gaping their mouths for a reason - and it wont be fixed, only muted, by using a flash.

Read Jim Woffords Article.
yeah and it didn't stop the teeth grinding either. but his bridle is a $400+ CWD...and i can't afford a matching noseband ;)

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I have ridden with a flash in the past (fit properly, not tight) and when I switched off, I didn't really notice anything different. I know someone who uses one only as a safety precaution because her horse can bite at other horses in the ring, and it is not tight. Frankly I think they are more of a fashion statement than an important training tool for good contact/frame.
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I ride in one, because it looks nice. I can fit two fingers in between the flash and her mouth, it's simply for looks. She rides the same either way. I like the look of a Figure 8 better, but I don't have one, nor can I afford one, so I'll make do with my flash. Plus, my noseband comes with the loop to put the flash through, and I think it looks silly to just have that little tab sticking out.

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