Thank you all, I'm hoping to trade in my old black saddle, I slide in it a great deal so its nice, I love it, but no the sliding. I prefer the barrel saddle over it, partly because its easier to keep your feet in the stirrups.... which is nice on a two year old trotter. I've used my saddles on many horses, never had a problem with them fitting, and never had a saddle fitted before so I know nothing of it. I check my trotters back before and after a ride, and pick up his feet, stretch his front legs, after every ride. My stud colt is just a yearling so he's only on the ground lessons, which involve the halter, some lounging, picking up hooves, and taking a walk with me.. and treats.. he loves his treats. Besides that, I'm wanting to learn english, and what I meant by 'jump', was jumping logs that are to big to walk nicely over, or have no way of getting around. I trot and canter a lot, but do walk... when it's warmer... walk.. lots of walk. But I figured it would also be easier on the horse to be carrying less weight. A all purpose sounds nice, and and as for jump and dressage, I'd love to learn those, then again I want to learn everything. I'll take a look around, I have a trade store near me, so I can probably get a cheap one from them to start with, and if I like I can always buy a nicer one.