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    03-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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Weanling
     
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    03-08-2012, 07:55 PM
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GB, a touch more flair in the front would not hurt, but a nice pad like you have I would not worry if the answers to the 2 questions are good for the 1st and no on the 2nd.

It is a touch wide, but not sure is going 1/4" narrower to then next tree size down is worth it.

How are the sweat patterns?

Does your Horse ever have any puffiness under the skin or soreness around the area where the bars in the tree would be after a long ride?




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    03-08-2012, 08:55 PM
  #13
Weanling
Thank you Kevin..very much! Do I understand you think saddle is touch wide? Is that the reason I get less flair after it settles into place on his back? Since he bowed a tendon in the pasture with the herd in Oct 2010 and got hit indirectly by lighting in June of 2011 I wasn't able to ride him until a couple months after he got hit and that was very very short rides until October/ Nov timeframe last year and when I did ride it was with a bareback pad. So I can't at this point answer either of your questions at this time.

Touch too wide huh?? I still have so much to learn!! In fact 3 days after we brought a new horse home for my hubby and only a couple weeks to go before I could ride him because of the bowed tendon is when he got hit... so I will post a few of the mare as well with the same saddle, she has much more flair..t.hanks again, really appreciate your advice. Maybe I could purchase a pad 1 " thick, that might help as well. Thank you so much!
     
    03-08-2012, 10:24 PM
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GB, Loosing muscle tone could be the reason the front of the Saddle sits down a little in the front, the clearance under the gullet between the withers is a little short according to the pics I can see, looks like maybe 1" or 1.25", preference is about 2 to 2.5"

The flair in the way Saddle Makers shape the front of the skirts varies, this one is OK, but could be better, but it is not bad enough to dig in, thus the reason the pad you are currently using should be fine. Cheap fleece pads would be bad in this particular case, IMO

When he tones up, the Saddle should fit much better. If for instance that saddle has a Full-QH tree, I would say currently a Reg-QH Tree would fit better, it is a Reg-QH Tree than a Semi-QH would fit better.

Just one size difference in this case does not seem to be a big deal, especially knowing he has not been ridden in a while.

Most Saddles tend to come in Semi-QH 6.5" Medium Trees or Full-QH 7" Wide Trees, that is where most peoples problem come in, they are 2 sizes away from a good fit.

In this case a good pad and only 1 size off is not that bad and should improve as his tone comes back to normal, if the muscle tone does not come back, then a Saddle with the one size tree smaller would be in order for the best fit.


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    03-09-2012, 07:19 AM
  #15
Weanling
Thank you so much Kevin, just wanted to make sure as since I could not ride him for a while we put off another saddle purchase for my hubby's horse as he was using mine so now that I riding him more and more just wanted to make sure which horse we would be purchasing a saddle for. Thanks again and have a great day! GB
     
    03-11-2012, 11:38 AM
  #16
Weanling
Kevin, the pad I am using in this pic has an open space in between the very front underneath the pommel..Wither clearance is great..a good 3 fingers, you could just not see it.

How do you judge when the horse is where he is supposed to be in muscle tone? How or what does it take? Hours in saddle and if so about how many? I rode him yesterday in this above tack and just the slightes turn of the head would tighten saddle up over withers, he rides with a low headset naturally but just want to make sure he is as comfortable as can be.

Please..any opinions are welcome. Will probably to tracings today and actually wait to purchase another saddle..thanks so much!!!
     
    03-11-2012, 12:09 PM
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GB,

Maybe I misunderstood, when you said he has not been ridden for a while and now you have concerns of Saddle fit, I can only guess it may be a lack of muscle tone, could be the saddle never fit perfectly to start with.
If tone is the cause, there is no formula to say how much, how long.

This Saddle sits down in front a little, and the top of the bar is making a touch more contact than the bottom, this indicates the tree may be too wide.
It is not a lot, therefore the possibility of him needing more toning up.

FYI, a semi-qh 6.5" gullet has approx a 86 degree angle, a reg-qh 6.75" gullet has approx a 89 degree angle and a full-qh 7" gullet has approx a 92
These different are not a lot and sometimes one can get away with one size different, since many saddles come in Medium (semi-qh) and Wide (full-QH) this is impossible on many Saddles, not sure what tree your saddle has in it, so can't say with certainty how far off in fit you are without actually measuring the Horse.

By the picture of your Horse, I do not see the need for a tree with more flair in the bar, I do not see big shoulders, but could be the angle of the camera also, so he may need a tree with more flair than that one.

Have you played with the saddle with no pad to see where the natural pocket of this Horse is, someone mentioned that in another thread, every Horse is a little different.
     
    03-11-2012, 07:41 PM
  #18
Weanling
I can now see that the tree is a bit wide, saw it yesterday and you are right. Today we did wither tracings on both horses and the mare is wider on all the measurements. It may be that it never fit perfect, so you definetely know what your talking about not that I doubted you, maybe I just didn't want tosee it. I will post the pic's..actually now that I think about it he is thinner since he was hit by lightning and one reason for that is he changed from a lush..hilly field to a more level, smaller one tht is not near as lush so maybe the combination is maybe an important factor.
The saddle is 7" from concho to concho and considered a wide tree. Since last September or so he got ridden, but not for very long or many miles and mostly around the trails close to the barn. But because of the bowed tendon then lightning it was Oct 2010 that I hadn't ridden him. I pretty much only walked him and if I did a trot it was very short because I didn't know how much he could do safely. I did get around 16 miles on him in January and over 30 in February and have gone up to 7, but typically lately around 5mi and just began less than two weeks ago doing short canters which he is handling like normal. Have begun more trotting and slowly working him to a bit longer but nothing too long yet..although I do think he could handle it I just want to take it slow. Here are the wither tracings from both horses..the differance amazed me! He never did have the flair she does.
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    03-11-2012, 07:52 PM
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    03-11-2012, 07:57 PM
  #20
Weanling
Dakota is our mare and Dillon is my gelding..I can see with my own eyes the differance. I think know what is going on now and just need to beef up my boy. Thank you all with great appreciation for all your help and a huge thanks to Kevin especially!. For more info on Dillons update since his lightning strike go to Health section and type in "My horse was hit by lightning and survived"
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