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  • What degree angle is a full qh bar tree
  • How wide is a semi quarter horse tree

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    02-15-2012, 09:49 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Western Saddle Tree Questions.....

Hi all,

I've been riding for a good number of years but I'm still a bit confused about western saddle trees. For instance, I used to think there were basically 3 tree sizes- semi quarter horse, quarter horse and full quarter horse.

Recently I was reading a website that said that there are basically two tree sizes- "regular" which would be semi-quarter horse/quarter horse and "wide" which would be full quarter horse.

I realize there are no tree standards and every company has it's own take on saddle trees. But is "quarter horse" and "semi-quarter horse" the same thing? Because I always thought they were different.
     
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    02-15-2012, 11:08 PM
  #2
Trained
Hmmm, well I only thought there was Semi QH Bars and then QH/Full QH Bars but I decided to google it and this is what I came up with.

Semi QH - 6-1/2" Gullet
QH - 6-3/4" Gullet
Full QH - 7" Gullet

But that's just a standard form is what the site was telling me. Like Circle Y Saddles may have different measurements from American Saddlery or Billy Cook.
     
    02-15-2012, 11:56 PM
  #3
Green Broke
This is what I was looking at the other day:

Western Saddle Fitting and Different Tree Sizes

They lump all trees into either narrow or wide. If it were only that easy. :roll:

I always thought "quarter horse bars" was a size in-between semi QH and full QH, like you posted.

And then, to make things even more confusing, there is this:

  • Regular Quarter Horse bars - gullet width: 5 3/4"
    Semi-quarter horse bars - gullet width: 6"
    Full quarter horse bars - gullet width: 6 1/4"-6 1/2"
  • Extra-wide quarter horse bars - gullet width: 6 3/4"-7"
  • Arabian bars - gullet width: 6 1/4"-6 3/4" (has a flatter pitch than quarter horse bars)
Which I found near the bottom of the page here:
The Saddle Tree

That lists "regular QH Bars" as being the narrowest tree. Which doesn't make sense to me.

I guess the reason I am curious is my Mustang fits great in a Steele brand FQHB tree. That was a bit too wide for my Missouri Fox Trotter. I found a saddle with a Steele brand "quarter horse bars" tree that fits her perfect. They BOTH have a 7" gullet, but the bar angle is different. I guess I was just trying to figure out exactly what "quarter horse bars" meant in relation to semi and full QH bars. I guess it's just the bar angle since both gullets measure the same and they are the same brand of tree, so unless you tried it on the horses you would never know the tree fit was any different. Weird, huh?

I still don't know which is considered wider, quarter horse bars or semi-quarter horse bars. Since there seems to be conflicting info out there.
     
    02-16-2012, 12:02 AM
  #4
Trained
LoL, My horses require FULL QH Bars, they are quite wide, LoL. So I know that the full QH bars is a 7" gullet. Because I've measured my saddles.

My semi-QH bars had only a 6" gullet. (it was given to me)

And I'd assume that the regular QH bars is inbetween the semi and full qh bars. I had a 6-3/4" gullet saddle that fit my horse okay, but not perfect. It was much wider then a semi qh bar saddle that was given to me.

Confusing. I try to always try saddles on my horses before purchasing. But I'm confident that any full qh bar saddle will fit my guys and girl. It's the semi's that I have difficulty with. :-/
     
    02-16-2012, 12:08 AM
  #5
Green Broke
I got my last saddle from a friend who does a lot of tack trading, so I got to test ride it. But usually I have to buy off the internet. That rarely works out well!
     
    02-16-2012, 01:05 PM
  #6
Showing
It seems to me that wide or full bars are just wider semi bars, not wider qh bars. QH bars came about with the flatter backed horses.
     
    02-16-2012, 04:57 PM
  #7
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Semi-QH 6.5" Gullet Bar angle approx 86 Degrees

Reg. QH 6.75" Gullet Bar Angle approx 90 Degrees

Full QH 7" Gullet Bar angle approx 94 Degrees

The Semi QH generally fit the higher withered QH with a steeper angle withers, while the Full QH generally fit the lower and slightly flatter withers.


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    02-16-2012, 10:24 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Thanks everyone! And thanks Southern Trails for confirming what I thought I knew, but then I got confused when that website only divided saddles into "regular" and "wide." Talk about over-simplifying things!

So basically QH bars is theoretically inbetween full and semi.
     
    02-16-2012, 11:53 PM
  #9
Yearling
I was always told that the narrowest tree was a QH tree- a tree that is somewhat 'obsolete' so to speak, now that horses are generally wider, not the scrawny things of days gone by. Next up would be a semi-QH bar, the middle size with (approximately) the same pitch as a QH tree. The widest would be a full QH bar, with a flatter pitch than either of the other two, and wider as well. I was told this by a horsewoman with years of experience, showing up to worlds for QH. It is still subjective information though, I think, and terminology may differ even by region. Hope I helped?
     
    02-17-2012, 04:56 AM
  #10
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Thanks everyone! And thanks Southern Trails for confirming what I thought I knew, but then I got confused when that website only divided saddles into "regular" and "wide." Talk about over-simplifying things!

So basically QH bars is theoretically inbetween full and semi.
Yes, QH Bars are often found in Wade and Roping Saddle

There is some outdated info on the web.

Most off the shelf saddles do only come in Medium and Wide, which relates to Semi-QH and Full QH.

The notes from the horse saddle shop like mine are what most manufactures use.

The notes from the one website about the 5 3/4" tree is hilarious, could not even imagine that fitting any horse ...lol...

Not to confuse anyone, but the Bars also relate to length, a SQH Bar averages 20" long, RQH Bar 21" and FQH Bar 22.5" based on a 16" Seat.



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