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post #11 of 20 Old 12-18-2011, 02:14 AM
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An English Tom Thumb is a lovely bit and most horses go really well in it. If she is a little heavy then plenty of transitions between paces and within the pace will help her develop her balance better, also use with lots of circles, serpentines and loops to improve suppleness.
What do you mean by english tom thumb?
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post #12 of 20 Old 12-18-2011, 02:50 AM
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Isn't that basically a fullmer?
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English Tom Thumb
I have never see that bit before, but it does look like a single joint fulmer.

This is a typical english tom thumb (or at least what we call a tom thumb in the uk). Sweet Iron Copper Tom Thumb Bit - Tacksales , it is regarded as a severe bit.

I would also suggest a french link bit as posted, they are reasonably forgiving and good for schooling (my tb goes well in it)

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I've also seen short shanked pelham bits be called english tom-thumbs. That bit would not be considered harsh where I live because it's short shanked and double jointed, but the gag action does add to it. It's no where near as severe as some of the crap I've seen on some horses.
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I have never see that bit before, but it does look like a single joint fulmer.

This is a typical english tom thumb (or at least what we call a tom thumb in the uk). Sweet Iron Copper Tom Thumb Bit - Tacksales , it is regarded as a severe bit.

I would also suggest a french link bit as posted, they are reasonably forgiving and good for schooling (my tb goes well in it)
That is an american Tom Thumb and I don't know why they call it that in the UK, I'm from the UK, now resident in NZ - was always as I have shown. You are correct that the American Tom Thumb is severe.

No the bit I've shown is not a Fulmer - this is a Fulmer


Not to be confused with a Full cheek snaffle


Another type of bit often mistakenly called a Thom Thumb is the full spoon snaffle
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Actually that would be called a dog bone gag bit I believe. This is a tom-thumb: http://farmcityfeed.com/images/tom_t...pper_mouth.jpg

I know it's not exactly a fullmer, but it sure looks like one with shorter cheek pieces. I'm quite well versed in bits, but different countries have different terminologies sometimes.
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Actually that would be called a dog bone gag bit I believe. This is a tom-thumb: http://farmcityfeed.com/images/tom_t...pper_mouth.jpg

I know it's not exactly a fullmer, but it sure looks like one with shorter cheek pieces. I'm quite well versed in bits, but different countries have different terminologies sometimes.
No definitely not a dog bone gag! - study the shape and note that there can be no gag action for this bit!
This is a dog bone gag bit - the dog bone refers to the small link in the middle that is shaped like a dog bone. UK name for that link would be French link.


The Tom Thumb (English) does not look like a Fulmer except that the rings are outside the cheeks, they are a totally different shape, are shorter and are not used with keepers. I'm extremely well versed in bits being a Pony Club 'B' certificate examiner, BHS Stable Manager and been teaching students for exams for decades.

The bits are as named. The Tom Thumb you have a link for is the American Tom Thumb. The majority of bits excluding the Western bits are all based on the English names. Their names go back decades if not centuries.

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English Tom Thumb
I'm from Australia and have always known this bit as a 'Tom Thumb Snaffle'

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The rings on the tom thumb aren't connected to the long bars like in a full cheek which means there isn't leverage.

I used it at Pony Club for a while with my pony and it wasn't a harsh bit.

I think the confusion between the harshness is down to the different terminologies used between countries.

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The double jointed snaffle should be just fine.

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