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post #1 of 12 Old 06-13-2009, 01:20 PM Thread Starter
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What's with this get-up?

I don't understand the need for a bit and hack, can anyone enlighten me?

Moreover, if you were to ride in a bit and hack, why not differentiate the two with two reins?



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post #2 of 12 Old 06-13-2009, 02:28 PM
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Oh thats a bit weird, never seen that before. Maybe the horse is used to a hackamore and is being trained to accept the bit instead but doesn't understand the bit on its own yet or something. idk but I don't think many people do that

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post #3 of 12 Old 06-13-2009, 04:09 PM
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Ouch, that looks like a steel cable noseband, and he has a running martingale on! Poor horse, if he can't be ridden with a pelham with double reins, then he really needs a lot less high energy feed and some turn-out/trail riding time to get his brain back in order, then he needs to find a new job, lol. His stomach is probably riddled with ulcers...
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That is Canada's very own Eric Lamaze.


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That seems like an awful lot of gear on a horse that is finished enough to do what its doing.
Maybe the rider was having a "Gee I can't decide what to wear" day so he just over-tacked his horse


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There are a lot of jumpers who go well in hackamores because they get so fired up they need something stronger that will help them woah, but are too sensitive for a stronger bit. Why the combo? not sure. I imagine this "hack-a-bit" uses the bit but also has extra leverage from the hackamore. Just like a pelham has a snaffle rein but extra leverage. I think there is more 'bit creativity' in the jumper world then anywhere else....

luvs2ride- there's a chance he has this get up because he LOVES his job and gets excited/strong. jumpers are tricky- you want something that's sensitive, brave, got energy, and a bit of fire often helps for the upper levels. And some of them really really like their jobs and get excited when they enter the ring. Most jumpers that hate their jobs don't stay jumpers for long. No matter how talented they are they have to want to keep the poles up.
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I don't know about the rest of you but I watch the Global Champions Tour when it's on and there appears to be two types of horse/competitor.

One combination appears to be well trained, steady in its head and movement and would seem to go round the jumps in a proper manner - and also would have the ' normal tack '

The other looks to be a horse that has huge jumping potential and goes round the ring like a complete lunatic, dosen't seem to have had any schooling and needs some wierd contraption for the rider to have any semblance of control ( often this involves just about managing to steer the horse between jumps ), the only way they compete is the horse being able to jump anything from anywhere !
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That is Canada's very own Eric Lamaze.

Yes it is and if you have ever seen that horse go Hickstead is very very quick through the jumps and not the easiest ride.i
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Yes it is and if you have ever seen that horse go Hickstead is very very quick through the jumps and not the easiest ride.i
Sorry, Spyder, that is not Hickstead. Hickstead gets ridden in a pelham and has a slight blaze and white sock on front:



I am very curious as to why any horse would need a mechanical hack and a snaffle bit. To me it would make a little bit more sense if the reins were separated, because then each rein could be operated separately, but the way it is in that photo, there is no snaffle THEN curb, it's all at once.


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While these horses have spent allot of time in the dressage ring, and are very, very well rounded mounts - we have to remember that that these horses are also very powerful.

That is why, it bothers me immensely when I see lower level riders such as us, mimic the gear used on GP horses, on our own horses "GP riders use it, so can I" right - but those who do that, do that without understanding the why's and the how's and the when's.

I can only assume that this horse Eric is on, is a very powerful horse when he jumps and - it could be a clients of Erics? I don't know the story behind it - but I do know that as David O'Connor says "Train at home in a snaffle, use what you need to get the job done in the competative ring"

So - maybe Eric is using this extra "grab" to get his job done as a rider in that ring, for that particular ride - the job that he was hired to do - win, show off the horse - who knows what.

That's my assumption.
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