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        09-10-2012, 04:46 PM
    Yes, and we get that, and I'm saying if that horse came to me for training we would be in a snaffle until he could plant his butt and stop hard from full speed, on a loose rein, with me just saying "whoa" at any point in the run.

    No one is attacking you here, don't take it personally, but you aren't going to get sugar coated answers. You're going to get honesty because no one wants to read on here later that you and your horse got into an accident.
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        09-11-2012, 03:01 PM
    Yes, and I appereciate the help, but other than being nice and helping me..your being kinda of rude about it, like im stupid. I've been around them my whole life.
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        09-11-2012, 05:38 PM
    We are not treating you as "stupid." It is called constructive critisim. We do it to keep both you and your horse safe, as well as educate you.
    It is up to you to listen to us or not.
    You got the answer to your question.
        09-11-2012, 06:06 PM
    So, just a regular snaffle then?
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        09-11-2012, 06:10 PM
    Originally Posted by barrelstar16    
    so, just a regular snaffle then?
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    That's what I would suggest, or maybe a french link snaffle. Some horses hate a regular snaffle because of the nutcracker action. The picture if of a french link.
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        09-11-2012, 06:42 PM
    For years Whoa meant Stop Moving your Feet. Didn't matter if we touched the reins or not the horse would bury his butt and stop. If he didn't, he was 'inspired" to move faster until puffing hard. Do you literally stop riding him when he won't stop ie do you take a deep breath and let the energy flow out of your body as you exhale. If you stop breathing, both of you are retaining that energy.
        09-11-2012, 07:29 PM
    No, I never get off. I run the fire out of him..but another problem is one of my other horses. Blackack will stop, but once we get torwards that mare(which is his bestfriend) its like his at a point of no return..like he's barn sour, but with another horse in mind..any tips? Also..i am very open to constructive critisism..its just i've worked for my horses all my life..my parents don't pay a dime of my bills, and nothing is handed to me..i've rebroken real green horses, but my "trainer" or bestfriend trained my main horse I ride now...we are just starting him with barrels, but then he randomly started pulling this stunt, so that's been put on hold..i need the help! I don't want to be running barrels on my friends horses forever! I want to train my BlackJack!
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        09-11-2012, 09:25 PM
    The minute he tries to go forward, make him circle. When you think he's ready make him go straight. Repeat if he keeps trying to go forward.
        09-12-2012, 02:25 AM
    Alright well, being apart of a training facility and being involved with many horses with this problem let me say my advice is sound...

    With buddy sour horses I just work their butts off next to the other horses and only let them rest away from them, facing the opposite direction, even if it's only five feet away. This includes a lot of aggressive figure eights, rollbacks, sharp turns, disengaging the hip, aggressively pushing their front end around while trotting or loping, then facing them away, stopping, and giving them the opportunity to walk away on a loose rein. They try something else? Fine, we'll go right back and work some more until they get it.

    Also I wouldn't lope up at all until I got my brakes in hand. Sit back, say whoa, and if the horse doesn't stop I would take a hold with my hands and my legs and get all kinds of physical until they did and then use my leg and my hands to bring him backwards like he'd never been backed up before. Especially if the horse is fighting. If it only takes them a stride or two extra to stop, I won't be as aggressive, but if the horse deliberately ignores you there would be some things that escalated until I won that battle. Do it at the walk first. Then the trot. Then the lope.

    The "making them go until they want to stop" DOES work too...But it's my personal preference to do the other method. I will however make them run too sometimes, if I feel that would be the faster track to the result.
        09-12-2012, 09:26 AM
    Originally Posted by barrelstar16    
    yes, and I appereciate the help, but other than being nice and helping me..your being kinda of rude about it, like im stupid. I've been around them my whole life.
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    And yes, we appreciate that you have been around horses. However, in comparison to some of us on here-not long at all. You are a teenager (yes, I am guessing) and part of the definition of teen means that they know all and can do all. Sorrelhorse has given some really sound advise. I would try that in this instance before I tried running them until they want to stop. I would use that as a next step if option A doesn't work. And FYI-what was meant by "quitting riding" is not you physically getting off the horse. You use your body differently and the horse feels that and stops. FOr example-my horse knows that when I take a deep breathe in-and sit a certain way, I want him to lope. When I want him to stop-I sit deep, feet go forward, and exhale all the way. He stops. I do not even touch the reins. They are only there should he choose not to listen to me the first time. Then, and ONLY THEN, do I touch his mouth, and sop him hard, followed immediately by a couple steps back. Wakes him up every time. And yes, he was taught this with a snaffle. In fact, he was taught some in just a halter.

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