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post #1 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
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why use a grackle noseband??

I've been watching show jumpers and the sort and have noticed a lot of grackles and wandered why someone would choose a grackle over a simple drop noseband?? This is purely a curiousity question..... I'm wandering if my boy maybe happier the grackle as i ride and jump with a flash. Or are they more specialized that what I'm giving them credit for??

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post #2 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 03:05 AM
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Some people use them because the horse crosses his/her jaw, making the rider have no control, the grackle stops them from doing so because of where it sits.

It also (apparently) allows the horses to breath easier as it is not in the way of the nose (however IMHO, and correctly placed noseband shoudl not interferre with breathing)

Some just use it for show.

Me? I use a cavasson noseband with a flash attached to it, only if I need the flash, otherwise its just a cavasson. Because I don't need a drop noseband normally, and I don't like the way the drops look.
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They distribute pressure more equally than a regular caveson with a flash.

To be honest, with most horse's head conformation, for the flash to fit correctly, the caveson is too low, or vise versa. The flash attachment on a caveson is relative new and became a fad, the figure 8 nosebands are more practical and more effective (and fit better) for the purpose of the horse not crossing their jaw.

When I was first training my gelding to go on contact (he was started western) I used a figure 8 for the first 3 months or so, so that he would not learn to cross his jaw, and then I switched over to a regular caveson. I keep a figure 8 should I need it again.

For me too, I really dislike the look of flashes, so would use a figure 8 for that reason should I need it, but right now both horses go in a loosely fitted regular caveson (I like the wide ones with padding from Bobby's bridles). It is a classy look that never goes out of style.
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post #4 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 01:02 PM
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Question Grackles!

My horse has to wear a standing martingale, he also crosses his jaw! I'm pretty sure you can't, but can you use a Grackle and a standing martingale?
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My horse has to wear a standing martingale, he also crosses his jaw! I'm pretty sure you can't, but can you use a Grackle and a standing martingale?
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This is a bit off topic, but have you tried a running martingale? Standing martingales tend to restrict the horse more IME, plus a running can work with any noseband. I see a lot of people use standing's with a flash, so if you really feel you need something to stop your horses jaw crossing, that could be a good option. :)
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I got a grackle for Willow cos it suits her.

Because she does gape and try and avoid the bit I would probably gone with a flash, but with her very long nose thought that a grackle would set her off better.

She doesn't need it, so just because is my answer.
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This is a bit off topic, but have you tried a running martingale? Standing martingales tend to restrict the horse more IME, plus a running can work with any noseband. I see a lot of people use standing's with a flash, so if you really feel you need something to stop your horses jaw crossing, that could be a good option. :)
yeah, he already wears a flash but manages to still cross it!:L I can't jump him in a running because he holds his head so high!:/
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Personally I wouldn't jump in a standing, only a running, do you have any video of your guy in action?

You have a couple of options, if you really want to use a standing then use a properly fitted flash, and use the caveson part for the martingale

or

Use your grackle, put a cavesson over the top and use that for your martingale. At that point though you may want to look at the amount of leather you have on your horse and wonder if there is another way to approach the issue
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I wouldn't jump in a standing martingale. Safety issues mainly. If the horse loses balance he cant use his head and neck to its full extent to save himself. Why they're banned in many showjump comps

Grackles are used to stop the horse opening his mouth or crossing their jaw. Lots of show jumpers use them cz the sj horses tend to be more highly strung and get more excited at the prospect of jumping. It also means the horse can't resist the bit so much when doing tight turns at speed to shave off seconds.

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I wouldn't jump in a standing martingale. Safety issues mainly. If the horse loses balance he cant use his head and neck to its full extent to save himself. Why they're banned in many showjump comps

Grackles are used to stop the horse opening his mouth or crossing their jaw. Lots of show jumpers use them cz the sj horses tend to be more highly strung and get more excited at the prospect of jumping. It also means the horse can't resist the bit so much when doing tight turns at speed to shave off seconds.
I never used to like to jump in a standing, but my horse is only 6 and he balances fine! ..yeah I'm just gonna stick with his flash! Thankyou!:)
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