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post #11 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
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Ok so it seems its half asethetics and half jaw crossing. My boy opens his mouth and sticks his tongue out when he gets excited and I use the flash to stop him biting his tounge during jumping (which he has done) and to stop him sticking his tongue out at the dressage judge but i'll hack out and school without the flash.

Interesting comments .... if i can find a cheap second hand one I might see what he thinks of it this season.
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post #12 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 06:17 PM
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CMJS - if your horse needs a standing martingale he doesn't 'balance fine', I'm sorry. Unfortunately you can't buckle one to a figure-8 noseband or you'll get too much pressure at the crossover point when the horse hits the martingale's limit. And if he holds his head so high a running doesn't work it's fitted far too long :( Try adjusting it so the ring runs up the reins to a point about 8" below the withers.

And can everyone please learn the correct spelling? It's not a bird, it was the name of a racehorse which ran in the Grand National - GRAKLE.

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post #13 of 71 Old 07-15-2012, 06:36 PM
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And can everyone please learn the correct spelling? It's not a bird, it was the name of a racehorse which ran in the Grand National - GRAKLE.
Annoying isn't it, GRACKLE GRACKLE GRACKLE, seems to be a common mistake because you find it often on boards, in fact I think I have spelt it that weigh my hole life

Sorry, but I have been stopping myself screaming at various spelling mishaps over the last few days, so I do understand how you feel, I will try and remember.

Now if a few people could remember that it's "my horse weighs" not "my horse weighted", or what ever strange spin they put on it.....
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Annoying isn't it, GRACKLE GRACKLE GRACKLE, seems to be a common mistake because you find it often on boards, in fact I think I have spelt it that weigh my hole life

Sorry, but I have been stopping myself screaming at various spelling mishaps over the last few days, so I do understand how you feel, I will try and remember.

Now if a few people could remember that it's "my horse weighs" not "my horse weighted", or what ever strange spin they put on it.....
Sorry - I'm a pedant when it comes to grammar and spelling. Comes of writing, I guess.

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I don't blame you, it is a skill that is fast dying, unfortunately not helped by those of us who were properly taught but have some degree of dyslexia, or other forms of word blindness.

I know that I used weigh and hole in the wrong context deliberately in the last post, but in this one it took me a very long time to try and work out how to spell dying, is it dyeing, dieing or dying, number 2 gets rejected by the spell checker, great 50% chance of success then I eventually puzzled it out but it takes a while sometimes.
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Isn't a "Grakle" (I always thought it was "grackle" thats what I've been taught) also called a german noseband or something like that? I dunno

CMJS, if a running martingale is not stopping your 6yo from putting his head up so high, then it's too long. Believe me, I got my boy when he was 6, straight off the track, rode like a giraffe, and the running martingale stopped him, but you also may want to think about reworking your flatwork, Mitch rides beautifully now, I taught him to use long and low, then to go into an outline, and now at 8yo he is a very good looker in the ring. (NOT criting you or trying to be mean, just sharing my opinion and experience!)

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I used the Grackle with my old TB and it really made all the difference. He'd cross his jaw/open his mouth and really lean on the bit.

Looking at the Grackle, if they try to open their jaw it puts pressure on both their lower jaw and more upper face, so I think it really encourages them to keep it closed. I also have never been quite happy with the fit of flash nosebands. They seem to be too tight in both areas, and can slide down too far.

95% of running martingales I have seen have been adjusted wrong so that they have virtually no effect. I like the fact that, because they're attached to the reins, the rider can control when they're in effect more. In a emergency of sorts, like when a horse stumbles, loosening the contact will stop the action of the martingale. You don't have this with a standing martingale.
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LOL Because it looks nice? Too many people use them because the see top level jumpers use them. I was looking at a horse to buy and I said " ohdoes he cross his jaw?" the answer was " no I just use it because it looks nice"

I use one because my mare is used to it. Bottom line, she doesn't need it but has always worn one so when I ride her in a normal noseband she tosses and is strong but my theory is she's always had a figure 8 so just keep rising her in it
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I want one for my jumping bridle :P

My horse goes ok in a plain cavesson noseband and snaffle bit but can be a little strong, and he can't cope with a stronger bit due to a bad rider in his past, so I want to try him in a grackle to see if that will help him go a little bit better. I have put a flash on him but it pulled the cavesson down and just would not sit right on his face, and did very little to nothing, so I stopped using it. The problem is finding a grackle that's the right shade of brown for my jumping bridle!! I am obsessive about everything matching just right.

And yep, I am spelling it "wrong", but my spelling-grammar-Nazi mind will NOT let me spell it "grakle"... it just feels wrong to me!

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Isn't a "Grakle" (I always thought it was "grackle" thats what I've been taught) also called a german noseband or something like that? I dunno

CMJS, if a running martingale is not stopping your 6yo from putting his head up so high, then it's too long. Believe me, I got my boy when he was 6, straight off the track, rode like a giraffe, and the running martingale stopped him, but you also may want to think about reworking your flatwork, Mitch rides beautifully now, I taught him to use long and low, then to go into an outline, and now at 8yo he is a very good looker in the ring. (NOT criting you or trying to be mean, just sharing my opinion and experience!)
I used to put him in a running (fitted correctly) totally re-schooled him, and he does all his hacking and schooling in just a bridle and saddle now! He is just a very fiery cob! My trainer put him in the standing because when I first went to her he wouldn't even walk without galloping off! I know your not critting :) I can jump up to about 2ft without the standing, but any higher than that it gets dangerous so he has to wear it!:)
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