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  • Martingale -- horse that ran in grand national
  • What kind of training devise for horses is a grackle

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    07-16-2012, 11:35 AM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by unclearthur    
CMJS - if your horse needs a standing martingale he doesn't 'balance fine', I'm sorry. Unfortunately you can't buckle one to a figure-8 noseband or you'll get too much pressure at the crossover point when the horse hits the martingale's limit. And if he holds his head so high a running doesn't work it's fitted far too long :( Try adjusting it so the ring runs up the reins to a point about 8" below the withers.

And can everyone please learn the correct spelling? It's not a bird, it was the name of a racehorse which ran in the Grand National - GRAKLE.

Thank you for your attention, ladies and gentlemen ;)
Thankyou very much, but he does balance fine, I wouldn't put my boy at risk! It's either a standing martingale or a stronger bit, he can't have a stronger bit because he is so sensitive! At the moment he is in a hanging cheek snaffle and a standing martingale! I didn't post on here for you to judge if my horse can balance, I know he can perfectly well! I was simply asking a question!
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    07-16-2012, 11:40 AM
  #22
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Originally Posted by cmjs    
I can jump up to about 2ft without the standing, but any higher than that it gets dangerous so he has to wear it!:)
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Trouble is the higher you get the more dangerous it is to jump with it. I know that you aren't asking for criticism, but we are worried for you, jumping in a standing martingale is just a bad and dangerous idea. From your description my mind is painting a picture of a horse who needs to go back to basics, if he is getting really strong with jumping so a running doesn't help, then please just consider backing him off a few steps and fixing the issues with training rather than tack.
     
    07-16-2012, 11:49 AM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Trouble is the higher you get the more dangerous it is to jump with it. I know that you aren't asking for criticism, but we are worried for you, jumping in a standing martingale is just a bad and dangerous idea. From your description my mind is painting a picture of a horse who needs to go back to basics, if he is getting really strong with jumping so a running doesn't help, then please just consider backing him off a few steps and fixing the issues with training rather than tack.
if you read my post before, I said we have totally re-schooled him, he's perfect now just a bit 'excitable'! But my trainer specialises in show jumping and if she didn't think it was safe she would not put him in it! He has been in it for a while now, and we jump about 1.10m, I know that's not big to some people but as this chap nearly died when he was four months old I think it's a big deal for me! If he didn't have the standing on he would smash his legs up or smash me up! I do get told at shows that I shouldn't jump in it, but tbh I know that my boy is fine, he just gets excited!
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    07-16-2012, 11:56 AM
  #24
Trained
'If he didn't have the standing on he would smash his legs up or smash me up! '

Cmjs, I am seriously concerned about you and I think you need a different trainer....
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    07-16-2012, 11:59 AM
  #25
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I did read your post before, and that is what was confusing me, you have totally re schooled him, which is fantastic, shows that you can teach and he can learn, so the same thing can go into your jumping surely.

Obviously it is your horse and you love him dearly, but maybe you should start questioning why so many people say it's a bad idea, and only your trainer says it's a good idea to be jumping in a standing, maybe, just maybe she is wrong.
     
    07-16-2012, 12:00 PM
  #26
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
'If he didn't have the standing on he would smash his legs up or smash me up! '

Cmjs, I am seriously concerned about you and I think you need a different trainer....
No. If he didn't have it on he would go so fast into the jump he would go through it! You can't say 'I think you need a different trainer..' when you don't even know who she is! Tbh I don't care anymore, I know what's right for my boy and I would NEVER put him in danger!
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    07-16-2012, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
I did read your post before, and that is what was confusing me, you have totally re schooled him, which is fantastic, shows that you can teach and he can learn, so the same thing can go into your jumping surely.

Obviously it is your horse and you love him dearly, but maybe you should start questioning why so many people say it's a bad idea, and only your trainer says it's a good idea to be jumping in a standing, maybe, just maybe she is wrong.
Yes, we started jumping from poles again and he has got so much better. I am not the only person that jumps in a standing martingale! If you watch this video you will see he's not struggling! Http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qdVir5AhU
(it's not the best footage because I was really nervous because it was his first show, therefore his canter isn't flowing nicely! This was in June!
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    07-16-2012, 12:05 PM
  #28
Trained
Firstly, the standing shouldnt dictate his speed, it should just save your nose if he throws his head up high.

Secondly, it doesnt matter who your trainer is. If you NEED a standing to jump him over 2ft and she's letting you jump 1.10m, that is dangerous.

Its very worrisome that he will smash through jumps with out a standing. That is not normal, that is very dangerous. You really should think about going back to basics.
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    07-16-2012, 12:07 PM
  #29
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Martingale - EquestrianLife Wiki

Safety and misuse

The standing martingale is considered to be more restrictive than the running martingale because it cannot be loosened in an emergency and is illegal in most flat classes. Therefore, at horse shows, the standing martingale is primarily used for jumping over relatively low fences where the horse is less likely to need to raise his head for balance. A horse that trips in a standing martingale can fall more easily because its range of motion is restricted.
Due to the risk of injury to the cartilage of the nose, the martingale strap should never be attached to a drop noseband. Because of the danger of both nose and jaw injuries, it also should also not be attached to a figure-eight noseband. A standing martingale can be attached to the cavesson (the upper, heavier strap) of a flash noseband, but not to the lower, "flash" strap.
A standing martingale may cause great pain to a horse if misused in combination with certain other equipment. If used in conjunction with a gag bit, a standing martingale can trap the head of the horse, simultaneously asking the horse to raise and lower its head and providing no source of relief in either direction. This combination is sometimes seen in polo, in some rodeo events, and occasionally in the lower levels of jumping.
Overuse or misuse of a standing martingale or tiedown, particularly as a means to prevent a horse from tossing its head, can lead to the overdevelopment of the muscles on the underside of the neck, creating an undesirable "upside down" neck that makes it more difficult for the horse to relax and flex properly. It may also lead to a horse tensing its back muscles and moving "flat," especially over fences, all of which put undue pressure on the horse's spine, reduce the shock-absorbing capacity of the leg anatomy, and can over time lead to lameness. There is also a risk of accidents: If a horse is sufficiently "trapped" by a combination of a too-short martingale and too-harsh bit, the horse may rear or fall down in an attempt to free itself from the source of pain.
     
    07-16-2012, 12:09 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
firstly, the standing shouldnt dictate his speed, it should just save your nose if he throws his head up high.

Secondly, it doesnt matter who your trainer is. If you NEED a standing to jump him over 2ft and she's letting you jump 1.10m, that is dangerous.

Its very worrisome that he will smash through jumps with out a standing. That is not normal, that is very dangerous. You really should think about going back to basics.
Yes it dictates his speed because he can't throw his head up and go! Omg, when you have watched me and my horse jump then you can tell me what me and my trainer are doing wrong! If you have read my past two or three comments you would now that I have gone back to basics! And 'that is not normal' well thankyou very much but my horse has been broken in for two years and has only been jumping for one! I broke him in on my own so I would know if it's 'normal'
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