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    12-13-2013, 05:02 PM
Wintec 250 AP?

Ok, since buying my horse and switching him to English I have been riding him in a friends wintec 250 AP saddle while I was saving money to buy my own (read poor teenager syndrome lol). It fits him like a dream, and he never had a sore back and built top line great. However, she said that she stopped using it on her horses because synthetic saddles are harder and hurt their backs. I fail to see the logic in this, myself. I found it FAR more comfy than any leather saddle I tried, it's waterproof (I'm an adventurous rider lol) and jitterbug moved out great in it. I managed to get one in the correct size for $450 with the easy change gullet and riser system in a cyber Monday sale. Has anyone had any negative experiences with wintec? Have I wasted my money? He has made amazing progress in this model saddle. I can hardly remember the last round of rodeo bucking (he has not had the kindest experience with people in the past) or crazy bolting.
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    12-13-2013, 05:10 PM
If it fits your horse and is comfortable for both of you, it's a win-win.

Wintecs aren't top of the line, but they are a very well made synthetic. I have a 2000 AP that fits my fat little Arab gelding just fine, and I love the easy care features of the synthetic.
    12-13-2013, 05:12 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

That being said, I have a particular distaste for Wintec APs. Well....All purpose saddles in general. The seat is too deep for effective jumping, but it puts your leg too far forward for dressage. Plus they just look ugly, IMO.

I have a Wintec 500(?) Close Contact I've been meaning to sell for two years now. I just can't bring myself to. Waterproof saddles are just AWESOME for swimming, and sweaty gross summer rides. Plus, with the gullet system, I figure I can get it to fit most horses I ride decently until I can find a proper fitting saddle.

Overall, at 450, you have a pretty good buy. I just hope you decided on a Jump or Close Contact.
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    12-13-2013, 05:37 PM
Not everyone hates an AP, Tymer. You don't find any use for them, but for a rider who has no desire to do dressage or jumping, they're fine.

Not sure why you think they're 'ugly', as they certainly don't look much different than a jumping saddle.

A lot of people don't like CCs because they're too flat and have no use for a jumping saddle, so just because you don't like APs doesn't make them bad saddles.
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    12-13-2013, 05:45 PM
It as an all purpose lol. I'm not going to be competing, just flat work at home and trail riding, maybe some competitive trail. He does love to jump, and he is in good shape, but I think he is a bit old to start (around 18). And this is also the only saddle I have found that fits him. He's an Arab (or possibly a quarab) and he is very well sprung with high whithers and a super short back. He cannot wear a saddle with a 17.5 seat or larger it's so short lol. On the upside he has never had back problems.
    12-14-2013, 12:52 PM
I'd say most Club level riders in the UK jump, do games and dressage in an AP/GP saddle.

The problem with all close-contact saddles is they generally put far less panel on the horse's back. That's fine for short period specialisms but not so good for hacking (trail riding), hunting or endurance when you're on the horse's back for a long time. As well as this, an awful lot of CC saddles have a foam filled panel - it's cheaper to produce - which means they can't be adjusted to a horse's back. Frankly, any CC should be a second saddle, IMO.

I've never really understood the popularity of CC saddles in the US when for most riders I reckon a flocked AP would be much more practical :)
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    12-14-2013, 04:00 PM
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Wintec AP saddles have long been the "first saddle" of a lot of riders. If you're buying new I imagine your "250" is what has been known as the Wintec 500 for a long time (I still think it was silly idea to change to names of the old styles). I have the dressage saddle version of that saddle and I've had it for over ten years and it's still in excellent condition.

Wintec saddles are often a good entry level saddle for someone who wants something really easy care, light etc.

There are a few things to keep in mind though. They don't fit all horses. You can't just change the gullet to suit any horse, this is important to remember as lots of people think changeable gullet means universal fit. I'm personally not a fan of the Cair system, even though I have it. I'd rather wool flock. So keep your eye on it.

I too have a thing again many AP saddles, as they often don't really do the rider any favours. There are decent ones out there, but I've seen so many riders in that really "all purpose position" that I don't think is too great. I really think that a lot of first saddles should be dressage saddles and once the rider has a really solid seat and decides what they want to do they can purchase a saddle specific to their discipline.

Those are just my thoughts, it's an excellent price you paid, and I hope you have lots of fun with it!
    12-14-2013, 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Not everyone hates an AP, Tymer. You don't find any use for them, but for a rider who has no desire to do dressage or jumping, they're fine.

Not sure why you think they're 'ugly', as they certainly don't look much different than a jumping saddle.

A lot of people don't like CCs because they're too flat and have no use for a jumping saddle, so just because you don't like APs doesn't make them bad saddles.
I didn't say they were bad? I have a personal preference, which caused me to give advice swayed that way. By all means, AP saddles are not inherently worse saddles. The cut of them looks funky, to me, and doesn't do the rider any favors (aesthetically). I've ridden in a couple Wintec APs. They're alright, but I always found my Wintec CC to be more comfortable for any kind of riding. The AP was too narrow for my seat, and the CC seemed roomier.

OP, I am glad you got a saddle you like for a great price. Hope it serves you well!
    12-14-2013, 09:20 PM
I am aware that they are not a universal fit, trust me lol. It's my first time buying a new saddle, but not the first time fitting. And I gig the flocked one, not the CAIR. I HATE cair. Every saddle I have worked with that used CAIR caused nothing but back problems.
    12-15-2013, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by Chickenoverlord    
Every saddle I have worked with that used CAIR caused nothing but back problems.
Regrettably the makers seem to offer miracles, so buyers expect them to fit anything and everything.

Most Cair saddles I come across benefit from being adjusted (flocked over the top to shape them better) because the panels aren't as forgiving as wool can be and often need a bit of help. And I doubt it's simply that we have a large number of oddly shaped horses in this part of the world
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