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post #1 of 12 Old 03-03-2011, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
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Wintec 500 Dressage Saddle HELP!

I am currently looking to buy one and Im not sure which option is better. I am a beginner and they have two options for the knee pads..Flocked pannel or Cair pannel. Which one is better???!!!! Does anyone have these? Please help! These are the two saddles that I am looking at, one is flocked and one has the cair system.

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Flocking is not related to the knee pads, its the stuffing that's in the panels on the underside of the saddle. Do you have a horse that this will be fitted to? There are several opinions on the merits of wool flocking and CAIR panels.

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It's not the knee panels they're talking about, it's the seat panels.

Neither is 'better' than the other, it's more just a matter of personal preference.

Some folks prefer wool flocking over the CAIR system, while others prefer the CAIR.

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also look into the wintec dressage pro if you can. Im not a fan of the 500s at all and often you can get the pro or isabell used for almost as inexpensive as the 500.

Personally I prefer cair, but like someone else said it is a matter of personal (and horse-onal) preference.

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Can CAIR be adjusted by saddle fitter? I have no idea so curious. I know foam can not. Personally if CAIR can't be adjusted I'd go with the flocked one. At least you can call the fitter and he/she may re-flock it for you for the better fit.

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hmm i'd have to check - I *believe* they can add some adjustments. There is foam and wool above and around the cair. Let me get the link to the site so i'm not just talking out my butt here haha!

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Air is captured at atmospheric pressure in an open-celled foam and sealed in the Air Cushion. Once the air cushion is welded the open-celled foam becomes irrelevant, as it is the air trapped in the cushion, which is doing the work

Furthermore, the balance of saddles with the CAIRŪ Cushion System is easily altered through your retailer with the CAIRŪ Cushion Insert System, without compromise to the performance of the air panels.

CAIRŪ Cushion System : Fitting

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also look into the wintec dressage pro if you can. Im not a fan of the 500s at all and often you can get the pro or isabell used for almost as inexpensive as the 500.

Personally I prefer cair, but like someone else said it is a matter of personal (and horse-onal) preference.
I have to agree with this. I've never liked the 500's. I went in to buy a isabell and came out with a pro with contour blocks. If your going to go s/h I would suggest either a pro or a isabell, far better saddles.

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Air is captured at atmospheric pressure in an open-celled foam and sealed in the Air Cushion. Once the air cushion is welded the open-celled foam becomes irrelevant, as it is the air trapped in the cushion, which is doing the work

Furthermore, the balance of saddles with the CAIRŪ Cushion System is easily altered through your retailer with the CAIRŪ Cushion Insert System, without compromise to the performance of the air panels.

CAIRŪ Cushion System : Fitting
Thanks, Sky! Very interesting! Looks like it's something different from re-flocking, but rather using "inserts".

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Yes, the CAIR can be altered, but take it from someone with two wintec 500's, it's not usually an option. There are only a few points that can be shimmed, and often you need to send it out to get this done. If the problem is not in those few areas, there is nothing you can do about it. Personally, I also think that the CAIR is kind of bouncy. Overall, I think they are ok saddles, but I would definitely go with the wool over the CAIR. I had to buy a whole new saddle for my mare because the wintec didn't fit. It would have cost more than the saddle was worth to try and shim it up somehow, and it still probably wouldn't have fit her.
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