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    12-13-2013, 03:10 PM
  #11
Foal
I gave up and sold it as I agree it wasn't fitting at all, any suggestions on what western saddle may fit better? Budget being a factor. Ideally nothing heavy as I have to try and throw it up on to him only being 5ft nothing.....
     
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    12-14-2013, 05:27 AM
  #12
Foal
Lamicell

So I tried a lamicell yesterday and seems to sit better but can you guys give thoughts? Do I have the saddle to far back? It doesn't rise at the back as much although still a little depending on how he is standing/walking.
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    12-14-2013, 05:31 AM
  #13
Foal
At the back

He had his head slightly down when I took this and resting one leg. It seems to tip up more at the back although not as bad as the wintec when I start to girth it up tighter? Unlike the wintec when he is standing or even walking it seems to sit quite well on him, and feels a nice width not too big.
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    12-14-2013, 03:10 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Again, some photos from the front without the pad would be helpful, and always with the head in a neutral position, if it's down it changes the whole fit. In both pictures his head is too far down. Stand him still and square.

This one looks like it fits a bit better, but I don't know if I really like it, the fit still looks a bit awkward but its hard to tell. What did it feel like? Did it have movement back and forth/side to side? Also it looks as if your saddle pad is back to front.

I once bought a High Horse trail saddle, it was half synthetic, half leather, and was light. It seems to fit a lot of horses pretty well and is fairly cheap. I personally don't like riding in it, but I'm a bit neurotic about saddles, so that's a brand you might want to look into.
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    12-14-2013, 08:04 PM
  #15
Showing
I think you might be having a problem in 2 different places here.

1, you've got new saddle pads under it and the pads do not appear to be contoured so they are basically in a straight line from his withers to his hips, not dipping down like his spine does. That can cause the back of even a well fitting saddle to pop up.

2, this is a common problem in saddles with the rigging in the full position (Western Saddle Rigging) because every bit of the pressure from the front cinch is being placed directly on the very front edge of the bars. A rigging in the full position works great for roping saddles where you've got the back of the saddle strapped down tight with a back cinch, but on regular pleasure saddles, many of which don't have a back cinch at all, then all it does is force all the pressure onto the front edge of the bars and throw the balance of the saddle off.

I'd say that, no, this saddle doesn't fit well enough for consideration long term. I'd start looking for a different one, preferably with a front rigging in the 7/8th or 3/4 position as those will balance the pressure of the cinch better along the entire length of the tree instead of just at the front.
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    12-15-2013, 05:46 PM
  #16
Foal
Hi thanks very much both of you for the reply, I have since purchased a good pad made by wow. However I completely agree I don't feel it fits him well enough to be considered for long term as although I want it for hacking I would like to do some "pleasure" endurance rides in it too so obviously my main priority is it fits him well. I have a leather older circle Y trial saddle coming to try out in a 15 seat as I think a 16 although he is a big chap, he has quite a short space to put a saddle from behind his shoulder to his last rib is not as one would think it would be for his shape. The wow pad is contoured and just a much better pad in general so hopefully that will help but I shall try this one on with NO pad and take photos to post hear. Really grateful for help as never had to try fit a western before only my English saddles! And his comfort is the upmost important.
     
    12-15-2013, 05:50 PM
  #17
Foal
Plus when I walked him in the lami-cell it was just as awful as the wintec I felt like he couldn't move his shoulder under it, like the bars where digging into him, didn't stay on it for more then a min as felt it may hurt him.
     
    12-24-2013, 06:56 AM
  #18
Foal
Simco

Ok so Circle y was too narrow, so bought this simco cheaply. However still the same issue! This simco is a 15 seat QH bars, width wise again at the front it has a nice flare and even girthed up isn't tight at the front, but nor is it so big that it would cause it to drop. BUT when cinched up even quite loose it starts rising slightly, IF he then walks forward it rises a LOT....same as others did. AND i've attached photos of it without a pad and without being cinched up. I thought it fitted quite well just looking at it like that, but WITHOUT a pad and cinched up it does the same thing as when it has a pad under.

So anything you can see that I can't? As to why its not working? I tried my wow pad under it which is adjustable with air, so I pumped it up at the front a bit to create a small front riser but then it fits weird and not happy with it.
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    12-25-2013, 09:59 PM
  #19
Showing
I suspect the root of your problem is likely due to all those saddles being rigged in the full position. Without a snug back cinch to keep the tree balanced, the front gets pulled down by the front cinch simply because of where the pressure is being applied.

Truthfully, that simco doesn't look like a bad fit. I'd take him for a nice long ride in it and see what the sweat marks looked like after I was through. If he's evenly wet under the pad, then the saddle fits well in spite of the back popping up.

IF that's the case, then you can get a back cinch set relatively cheaply to keep the tree balanced front to back.
     
    12-26-2013, 05:51 AM
  #20
Foal
Hi thankyou, I agree it seems to fit ok, much better then the others, only thing concerning me which I spotted this morning looking from the front of the saddle the left appears dipped? Can you see what I mean? I dunno if it was made that way or? The seat area doesn't appear lop sided nor does the pannels that much, just the front bit
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