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post #1 of 32 Old 12-09-2011, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
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CAIR vs Wool Flocking

I have heard mixed reviews on the CAIR air panels by Wintec. I have flocking in my current saddle and my husband has the CAIR. I know it is supposed to be better (claimed by the manufacturer, of course) in dispersing weight. Some complaints I have heard is that it feels "bouncy" although I think some if this is in the person's head thinking they are riding on air so it must be bouncy. Also, you can't reflock it, but the air should eliminate the need for that. Anyway...I am currently trying a new wintec dressage pro with countorbloc and if I like it I can order it either way and wasn't sure which was way to go. Any opnions?
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You can reflock with wool...I posted this on another thread.

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Inside a Wintec Cair saddle you will find these...and hard cotton wool like lumps of flocking.


Nice junction!

And just a bit of foam inside the plastic bags

They were uneven on my saddle:gasp:
Except my saddle is now flocked like this...

And my saddler put this bit back on it


I found it interesting. :)
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I think Cair is pretty awful and goes uneven far too easily as well as having bits of balled flocking in there as well.
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my saddler was saying he's had quite a few Wintecs/Bates brought to him to have the CAIR panels removed and the saddle reflocked with wool. The CAIR pockets have been known (at least around here/to my knowledge) to "pop" leaving you with a deflated section or side.

Personally, i've never noticed an "bounciness" when i've ridden in my Wintec with CAIR however, overall, it's just my spare/sacrifice saddle so I like the idea that it will adjust to whatever horse I need to put it on. That being said, any of my saddles that are more daily use are wool flocked.
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My horses seem to love CAIR.

I do not. Put me in the category of "Too bouncy". I know there is no reason why it should be that way, but I've had folks ride the saddles without knowing about the CAIR panels, and they made the same complaint. In theory, the air is just at normal atmospheric pressure anyways...although we're at 3800', so maybe THAT makes a difference.

I don't think it is my imagination. I find the stuffed Aussie saddles much more stable. That could be a design issue, tho.

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My horses seem to love CAIR.

I do not. Put me in the category of "Too bouncy". I know there is no reason why it should be that way, but I've had folks ride the saddles without knowing about the CAIR panels, and they made the same complaint. In theory, the air is just at normal atmospheric pressure anyways...although we're at 3800', so maybe THAT makes a difference.

I don't think it is my imagination. I find the stuffed Aussie saddles much more stable. That could be a design issue, tho.
now I want to go ride in my Wintec again to see if I notice the "bounce" i'm at ~5000' elevation. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
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The CAIR folks say, "Air is captured at atmospheric pressure in an open-celled foam and sealed in the Air Cushion. Once the air cushion is welded the open-celled foam becomes irrelevant, as it is the air trapped in the cushion, which is doing the work.

At 5,000' MSL, the atmosphere is 83% of sea level, so the panels should be about 20% larger with no one sitting on them. I don't know how that would affect things after you sit on them, but it SEEMS like with would be somewhat overinflated. I noticed the CAIR manufacturer says there isn't a significant change with temperature ("There is minimal affect of temperature on the CAIR® Air Panels. For a 30 degree (Celsius) change in temperature there is approximately 1% change in expansion of the Air Panel."), but leaves altitude unmentioned. Is that because a 20% expansion IS significant?
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Sounds all too technical. My husband rides with a Cair wintec, he likes it better than the dressage saddle he used to ride in, but not as much as the Barnsby which was too small for him. I have ridden it once, didn't really notice any difference, other than the saddle was too big for me.
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Hmmm...they didn't offer the flocked version for trial, just the CAIR so I was stuck with it. I think if I like it I may just get the flocked. It isn't that much more money. Will have to try out the saddle first and see if I even like it. The knee blocks are much bigger than I am used to or was expecting.
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The CAIR folks say, "Air is captured at atmospheric pressure in an open-celled foam and sealed in the Air Cushion. Once the air cushion is welded the open-celled foam becomes irrelevant, as it is the air trapped in the cushion, which is doing the work.

At 5,000' MSL, the atmosphere is 83% of sea level, so the panels should be about 20% larger with no one sitting on them. I don't know how that would affect things after you sit on them, but it SEEMS like with would be somewhat overinflated. I noticed the CAIR manufacturer says there isn't a significant change with temperature ("There is minimal affect of temperature on the CAIR® Air Panels. For a 30 degree (Celsius) change in temperature there is approximately 1% change in expansion of the Air Panel."), but leaves altitude unmentioned. Is that because a 20% expansion IS significant?
VERY good points there!
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