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post #11 of 32 Old 12-09-2011, 07:45 PM
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As for that "Bouncing" feeling, I notice when I have used a "gel" pad. It kind of feels wobbly, or , not surprisingly, Gelly-like.
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A good feeling or bad one?
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As well as being obnoxiously bouncy, because the pressure is "evenly" distributed the panels will conform to the horses body and slide around so you have to crank the girth up. I have also seen very few horses who do not have muscle atrophy underneath the panels of the saddles after prolonged use.

It is a money making gimmick and a well fit wool flocked saddle will always fit better. As well as wintecs in general place the pelvis of the rider in an incorrect position, rounding the back.
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I like my Wintec AP with Cair, that said- it's nothing fancy. I mean it to be and use it as a general all purpose saddle. It's not a 'nice' saddle, not one I'd pay big bucks for, but it is durable and comfortable enough to use daily. The really nice saddles I have ridden in have all been real leather with real flocking. I can understand the 'bouncing' comment, even down here at sea level, they do have a different feel.
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A good feeling or bad one?
I'd say bad. I tried gel half-pads. They feel, well, strange...

I'm all for wool flocking. You can always re-flock or more flexible in adjusting your saddle to the horse.

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As well as being obnoxiously bouncy, because the pressure is "evenly" distributed the panels will conform to the horses body and slide around so you have to crank the girth up...
That doesn't describe my experience. I don't like CAIR panels, but the girth pressure is no different than what I use with my Aussie saddles. I don't know if my horses tall withers make a difference. I also never rode them in a demanding sport - have a jump saddle, but have always ridden it for flats only, and fairly undemanding flats at that.

I have only ridden it a few times in the last year...I've been drifting west for several years, and now ride more with a Circle Y than anything else. But if I ever go back to riding English, I'll get the panels stuffed. I agree that it is a money-making gimmick, not a real advance in saddle technology.
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I strongly dislike CAIR. All my saddles are flocked now.

That being said I had a pony that would buck like no tomorrow in a flocked saddle that technically was a good fit - and yet in a CAIR saddle that did not fit, he was a dream. Not sure what that was about.

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Thanks for all the responses :) My current Wintec is flocked and with all these opinoins I will stick with the flocking. I haven't had a chance to ride in the saddle yet due to work, but am very excited to try it out. I know that Wintec saddles are not fancy and most people consider them bottom line type saddles, but I am not a fancy person and need a rough and tumble, easy to keep clean saddle for trail rides and endurance. The knee blocks ahve me a little leary on how comfortable the saddle would be after 6 hours.
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I have a wintec pro dressage with cair and I don't notice it being any bouncier then riding in my stubben. I have heard that they are meant to be used with then pads and that gel pads can cause a bouncy ride.
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Thanks again everyone! unfortunately Gem was not a happy camper in the trial saddle even after switching the gullet around to fit her. She acted very odd during the ride and at first I thought it was just the overgirth that could not be made tight enough to avoid flapping with her movement and hitting the back of her front legs. I stopped the ride early due to her being so uncomfortable and when I took the saddle off the hair on either side of her withers by her shoulders was all roughed up like I took a brillo pad to it. The saddle must have been rocking and pinching her skin with every stride. I did really like the external knee/thigh blocks, the very wide channel and the narrow twist. On to saddle #4.
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