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post #1 of 12 Old 03-10-2012, 08:16 PM Thread Starter
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Circuit RTF vs M.Toulouse Genesis

I'm looking at a saddle with an adjustable tree and one that is easy to change.

Bates seems expensive and honestly I haven't been impressed by the quality in the last few years. Collegiate is now offering the same system in their eventing saddle (by far the cheapest) but I feel wrong all around in their eventing saddle... not deep enough for dressage (and I have a dressage saddle) and not right for XC/SJ.

So that being said, I'm considering an M. Toulouse Marielle and the Circuit Victory. Originally I was only looking at the M.Toulouse but the sticker shock has kept me considering other options... Circuit has just introduced RTF (rotate to fit) gullet system. It seems very similar to the MT Genesis system for a much cheaper price.

I have ridden in a Marielle a few times and know Primo loves it... but really it's 500 out of my price range. I could probably afford it by the end of the summer, but that would leave me just doing dressage instead of eventing.

Anyone have thoughts on either? I want to make a run to Dover to sit in the Circuit saddle and maybe to a trial as it fits within my budget by the end of April (thank you tax return).

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post #2 of 12 Old 03-10-2012, 08:59 PM
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I've heard bad things about the quality of the Circuits. With the Toulouses, it seems like it's either hit or miss based on personal preferance. I've sat in a few, and the leather is butter-soft.

Look into the older Collegiates. I have an older event saddle made by them, and I could definitely do dressage in it if need be.
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post #3 of 12 Old 03-12-2012, 02:41 PM
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I'd go with MT. One of the problems with Circuits - they are harder to re-sell.

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post #4 of 12 Old 03-12-2012, 05:18 PM
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I hadn't heard that the Circuit saddles had "upgraded" to the adjustable gullets. Interesting...

I've heard much better things about MT in general than I have about Circuits in general.
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post #5 of 12 Old 03-15-2012, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
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My hope is that I won't have to resell a changeable gullet saddle. Honestly I don't want to part with my stubben even though I know the day is here. =(

I do love the MT but my check book has gone into hiding just looking at it. In two weeks I'm headed to Hunt Valley Dover store to see the Circuit... see if it's a decent make. If it's all they make it out to be, I may have to take it home on a trial. If it's cheap quality like the Bates.. well I guess I'll just do dressage this year unless I can borrow my friend's MT.

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post #6 of 12 Old 03-15-2012, 11:32 AM
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where did/do you find the info on the changeable gullets from circuit? I don't see it on their website... perhaps i'm blind (you never know!).
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post #7 of 12 Old 03-15-2012, 09:35 PM Thread Starter
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I didn't see it on their site. It was featured in my latest Dover catalog. I called down to Hunt Valley (the only store I know how to get to... lol) and peppered the sales rep with questions. She explained to me it is very similar in concept to MT's key system (there is a key) and that it is just as adjustable. As long as they don't object, I am going to take pictures and everything.

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post #8 of 12 Old 03-15-2012, 09:46 PM
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why do you want an adjustable gullet ?

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post #9 of 12 Old 03-15-2012, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
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Mostly because Primo changes in body shape as our riding progresses.... and when he gets a break over the winter. Currently my MW saddle pinches his shoulders, but the wides I have borrowed are too wide and rest on his high whithers. I'd prefer a system that I can change to fit him as he changes. The straighter cut to a dressage saddle does not impede on his shoulders, but the forward cut to a AP or jumping saddle (even worse) does put pressure on his shoulders, especially coming off a fence. I'd go treeless if they where anywhere near my price range.

Second but less important reason... I ride several other horses. It would be nice to ride in my tack, not their owners' tack. I often suspect ill fitting tack as half the reason I'm riding them in the first place.

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I would just keep in mind that gullet changing saddles are not a miracle fix. Also, as you widen them there is generally less wither clearance. I have also heard [i would never use one personally so I don't know from personal experience] that they can pinch the shoulders more on landing from a jump. Just my 2cents

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