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post #1 of 27 Old 04-11-2012, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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I was looking at getting this to help my horse with his head carriage. I was just wondering if anyone had ever used this before and could review it? It has 5 stars on Dover. Would it be like "cutting corners" in his training? I definitely don't want to do that, but this is enticing.
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post #2 of 27 Old 04-11-2012, 05:49 PM
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Interested also!

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Ad doesn't say HOW it works on the horse; just says encourages correct neck carriage & use of back. You need exact information, before you buy it.

I hope that you understand that the horse is never to be forced into a frame, never to have his head "set", but that proper training is the gymnasticising of the horse from back to front, leaving the HORSE to move and place his head where it's most comfortable for him, in response to your seat, weight, & leg. The horse knows better than any human how to manage his head, for whatever the human is cueing him to do; does this not make sense?

The horse is on the forehand when his mouth is lower than his hip bone, on a horizontal plane. If this contraption encourages the horse to travel with his bit below his hip, then it's damaging to the horse. The horse will break down from such forcing.

When bad training and riding has caused a phobia in a horse, so that he's compulsively tossing his head or some other such action, I see use for a temporary aid for his head, like running martingale, which keeps rider from getting bashed in the face. When tactful riding shows the horse that he needn't be slinging his head anymore, then the temporary rig comes off.
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Ad doesn't say HOW it works on the horse; just says encourages correct neck carriage & use of back. You need exact information, before you buy it.

I hope that you understand that the horse is never to be forced into a frame, never to have his head "set", but that proper training is the gymnasticising of the horse from back to front, leaving the HORSE to move and place his head where it's most comfortable for him, in response to your seat, weight, & leg. The horse knows better than any human how to manage his head, for whatever the human is cueing him to do; does this not make sense?

The horse is on the forehand when his mouth is lower than his hip bone, on a horizontal plane. If this contraption encourages the horse to travel with his bit below his hip, then it's damaging to the horse. The horse will break down from such forcing.

When bad training and riding has caused a phobia in a horse, so that he's compulsively tossing his head or some other such action, I see use for a temporary aid for his head, like running martingale, which keeps rider from getting bashed in the face. When tactful riding shows the horse that he needn't be slinging his head anymore, then the temporary rig comes off.
I definitely see what you're saying. I didn't want it to seem like I wanted to cut corners on his training or anything, I just thought it might help.

I believe it is meant to be temporary until they learn how to carry their head. Shamrock doesn't have any issues with his head, such as tossing it around or anything, I just wanted something to maybe help us out a little bit.

I was also hoping someone on here maybe had this and could tell me exactly how it works, seeing as that's something I would definitely like to know before I got it, if I did.
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dont cut corners, never worth it.
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post #6 of 27 Old 04-11-2012, 08:32 PM
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If your horse doesn't have issues, why would a gizmo on his head help? Your telling me that he's fine tells me that you shouldn't put this on him, even before you know how it affects his head.

Wait till the time such as may come that he's having trouble knowing where to put his head/has accrued baggage, (God forbid), then call the seller for a clear explanation of what the gizmo does. If it HOLDS his head in any position below the impulsion line (hip to bit on horizontal plane), do not buy it, but instead get a running martingale, which doesn't hold his head at all, but which is entirely flexible because it's operable by the rider's hands.

The ad's wording aroused my suspicion, due to its total lack of explanation, but instead, "nice" words, like "encourages" the horse. Caveat emptor, especially when one could harm a horse by failing to beware.
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IT doesn't even really show what it really looks like, how it attaches, nothing. I'm picturing something like side reins maybe? I don't know.

I'd be worried that it would possibly cause muscling in the wrong area of the neck, or break the line of the neck (broken neck) so that your horse has an angle bend instead of a nice curve at the top of the neck.

I think old fashioned topline work and time would be a better, more permanent way of getting what you want.
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If your horse doesn't have issues, why would a gizmo on his head help? Your telling me that he's fine tells me that you shouldn't put this on him, even before you know how it affects his head.

Wait till the time such as may come that he's having trouble knowing where to put his head/has accrued baggage, (God forbid), then call the seller for a clear explanation of what the gizmo does. If it HOLDS his head in any position below the impulsion line (hip to bit on horizontal plane), do not buy it, but instead get a running martingale, which doesn't hold his head at all, but which is entirely flexible because it's operable by the rider's hands.

The ad's wording aroused my suspicion, due to its total lack of explanation, but instead, "nice" words, like "encourages" the horse. Caveat emptor, especially when one could harm a horse by failing to beware.
Yeah, he doesn't have issues, but he doesn't carry his head in the rounded, correct way either. I guess I'm just eager for him to achieve that and ready to get to that point. Though I suppose after hard work and such, it'll be much more rewarding when he finally gets the correct frame than using some contraption to get him there.

I'm new at buying training aids, so I'm bound to fall for the wording, that's why I posted here, so experienced people like you could make me aware of the way it's worded, etc. :)
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post #9 of 27 Old 04-12-2012, 08:43 AM
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Just the fact that you are worried about only his head says that this is a bad idea.

horses naturaly carry thier heads in the correct place when they are travelling and propelling themselves properly from thier back end. Get the back end under him, get him to step through from the inside hind leg, raise his back and his withers and his head will automaticaly fall into place.

With the neck stretcher all you are doing is forcing the head down and into a false outline. Yes it is incorrect training, yes it is cutting corners and yes you will damage your horse. Essentialy you will be tieing his head to his chest in a manner similar to Rolkur.

BTW this used to happen a lot in show pony yards in the UK in the 1980's the practice has since been banned it is also a prettied up version of this:
HACKNEY STUD INSPECTION – N CAPE

If you know how to school it properly then you do not need any form of gadget at all
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post #10 of 27 Old 04-12-2012, 08:51 AM
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a neck stretcher is not going to teach your horse to use his hind end properly, lift his back, and go "on the bit", its just going to put his head in a position that people like to see it. i would not waste my money, time, or horse on a neck stretcher! you will get better results by riding him properly from behind, it will take awhile but it will be beyond worth it in the end!
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