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  • Teaching a horse to go forward complete balanced training system
  • Can u train a draft horse in a pessoa

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    10-29-2012, 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
Thank you all for your input, it really does help me to think this thoroughly. Draft, have you seen the lunge video I posted less than a week ago or are you talking about the one from a few months ago?
I had not seen that video when I posted my comment, but I have gone and looked now. I think your set up is much better, but Cinny is still not moving forward. I do not think the Pessoa would benefit him at this point in his training, and it has the potential to create new problems for you as well.

I would keep working on driving him forward into the bridle. I know that you have been having trouble with him stargazing, but I really think that he won't bring his head down on his own until you get his rear end MOVING. I think it has been suggested by others in other threads, but I think cavalettis would be a great benefit to him. Keep changing it up - some days, a set of four evenly spaced poles, other days more random (single stride then double stride or something), and other days raise every other pole. Anything you can do to keep him thinking about what his body is doing is going to help him immensely. It will help you with the forward (space them so he absolutely has to take a good, full, tracking-up stride between poles), and should get him using his back more as well. They are a great tool for teaching a horse that running around with your nose to the sky and your back all hollowed out is way more trouble than it's worth.
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    10-30-2012, 09:01 AM
Green Broke
I do have to say I would work for the forward THEN get the head down. By bugging him to keep his head down he is also wanting to slow down and not use himself. Which means sucking back. Once you have the forward the rest should follow.

As far as his SI issue. I was training a horse a few years ago who had SI issues. We could not figure out why he ALWAYS wanted to run with his head up in the air, hallowed out back, sluggish and every time we asked him to jump he would fall on his face.

I had a vet out and she did diagnostic acupunture and lo and behold it was his SI.

We gave him a month off in the pasture. Picked him back up and did a week in the pessoa and Then working through poles and did stride control. Opening and closing his stride under saddle. Doing serpentines, spirals etc... and he was a different horse. Though we never jumped him again. He did turn into a decent lower level dressage horse.

Now as I previously said. Pessoa is not to be used in untrained hands.

I would use the veinna draw reins and adjust them so they are just kind of "there" to stop him from having his head in the clouds and work on moving him forward. Once you get the forward slowly adjust the reins so they ask him to come down. But still move FORWARD. No western pleasure pony jog. A true forward gait.

Then maybe do some long lines and start using poles.

Forward first, everything else will follow. That's just my opinion though. And as you already know. Everyone has a different opinion and different ideas. Its a matter of taking what you want and putting it together to find what works for you. It sounds like you have a great trainer. So you are in the right direction.
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    10-30-2012, 02:25 PM
Green Broke
Getting proper poles is a big goal of mine. I had no problem at my other stables, but the one I moved Cinny to last July isn't quite what the owners made it out to be and I am now on waiting lists for others, including my old one. But I digress.

The poles at my current barn are hollow 8 inch pvc pipe cut into 5 foot lengths. Needless to say they fly several feet if they are very lightly tapped. For this reason I don't use them. I just don't think it's worth the danger. I have been keeping my eye at our local community recycle place (where people take things like cupboards, tables, fencing, flooring to be recycled when they remodel their homes) for some poles or even vintage round fence posts to redo that would be safer to use. But for now, we have no hills, and no cavelletti...and nothing to make a SAFE 1 foot cross rail to lunge him over either...just hollow pvc.
    10-30-2012, 02:29 PM
Green Broke
Ugh I hate those hallow pvc poles. I wonder if you would be able to fill them with sand or something?

In the mean time go for a walk through the woods... you would be surprised what you would find laying around that would work as a pole. It doesn't need to be the same thickness and shape. As long as its long and reasonibly straight with some weight its good to go.
    10-30-2012, 02:58 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by NBEventer    
Ugh I hate those hallow pvc poles. I wonder if you would be able to fill them with sand or something?

In the mean time go for a walk through the woods... you would be surprised what you would find laying around that would work as a pole. It doesn't need to be the same thickness and shape. As long as its long and reasonibly straight with some weight its good to go.
Sadly, new stable has no trails near it, no woods, no hills, no nothing. It was more economical and closer to our house but I am finding that lack of riding area really isn't worth the savings :( Basically I have a tiny arena in which I compete with lessons no matter what time of day it is. A gravel road that tears up Cinny's hooves, or neighboring corn fields and hope that whomever owns them doesn't flip out if they catch me riding there :( I can't wait till warmer weather when people will be moving their horses out of the stables at back to their own homes LOL. That's the cycle here in my area...when it gets cold people move their horses to nearby stables and board and during warm weather have them at home living on pasture. I waited too late to try to move again so I'm stuck on 5 waiting lists instead.

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