Many thanks Painted Pastures, for the websites, very good info. I am asking all these questions about Silver Royals as I have one that is probably 15 or more years old. While it doesn't fit my mare, I used it on another horse and it was very comfortable. It seems to be very well made, good leather and the tree and horn are good and tight. I may want to sell it at some point in the future as I don't need it anymore and wanted to understand what some people have against this brand. You have all been very helpful and I thank you!