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post #11 of 17 Old 09-06-2012, 05:08 PM
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Roper cinch size is fine even for trail riding.

I believe the pro/con of the larger surface area is that it's hard more area to distribute pressure but also more area that "traps" heat so to speak.

Some horses react differently to them but I would say more times than not they react positively.
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post #12 of 17 Old 09-06-2012, 05:19 PM
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LOVE Air Flex cinches. Just chiming that in.

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It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #13 of 17 Old 09-13-2012, 11:23 PM
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I ought to learn not to comment on threads like this, but I can't resist.

I have to agree 100% with Saddlebag. There is no possible way in the world, no, not any at all, that any neoprene, or nylon, or fleece covered, or any other solid type cinch can be cooler on a horse than a good old mohair string cinch. Unless the cinch itself is air-conditioned, it cannot possibly be cooler. Mohair string cinches not only wick moisture away from the horse, but they also allow the sweat to dry, thereby doing exactly what the sweat is supposed to do, cool the horse! Neoprene allows the moisture to pass through, but holds the horse's body heat in. That's what neoprene is designed to do. Cordura and canvas cinches "breathe", but when they get wet, the threads swell, making the material water-tight. When wet they don't breathe. Wool fleece-lined cinches don't wick the sweat and tend to hold heat in, but they do breathe a little.

Any cinch with padding, like neoprene cinches, or wide cinches, require the cinch to be tighter to give the same holding pressure as a narrower string cinch (because it spreads the pressure over a larger area), which is contrary to what one would think. A wide cinch will often cause rub sores on the backs of the elbows of a horse, particularly with a 7/8 or full-double rigged saddle. Ropers use wider cinchas to hold the saddle in place with the pressure of a steer stopping hard at the end of the rope attached to the saddle horn, and they really crank the saddle down tight. But, they don't do that when they're out pleasure riding.

To those of you who indicate your horse does better with a wide or otherwise specialty cinch, I would put forward something for your consideration. Your horses most likely like the wide cinch better, because you are not cinching it as tightly, relative to cinch area, as you would a narrow cinch. Since the pressure is spread over a larger area, you would have to cinch it tighter to get the same amount of holding pressure you would with a narrow cinch at a lighter pressure. The idea I'm putting forth is simply that if you weren't over-tightening the narrow string cinch, your horse would like it just as much. Many people over-tighten their cinches needlessly. That's why their horses get "cinchy". If you're riding a bronc, that's one thing, but a steady, well-broke horse on a trail ride doesn't need a very tight cinch. Snug is sufficient.

To demonstrate what I'm talking about, ask yourself whether you would get better traction from a dual-wheel pickup or a single-wheel pickup. Common sense would tell you the dual-wheel pickup would have better traction, but that's wrong. The dual-rear-wheel pickup has such light loading on each rear wheel (like the wider cinch) that you can get stuck on wet grass, whereas the single-rear-wheel pickup does just fine.
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post #14 of 17 Old 09-14-2012, 12:05 AM
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I started a thread tonight about cinch material. Thank you for your response. Well written. Any suggestions on preventing rub spots from he exposed buckle on the mohair cinch when riding is excessive heat conditions?
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...Your horses most likely like the wide cinch better, because you are not cinching it as tightly, relative to cinch area, as you would a narrow cinch. Since the pressure is spread over a larger area, you would have to cinch it tighter to get the same amount of holding pressure you would with a narrow cinch at a lighter pressure...
Disagree. First, if you are relying on the grip of your cinch to keep the saddle in place, then I think you've missed the point of a cinch. It is to pull the saddle down on the back, not to grip your horse's skin with enough power to prevent the saddle from sliding sideways when you mount. If your cinch has that much abrasive force against your horse's skin, you will rip the horse's hair off.

Second, by spreading the 'pull down' power over a larger area, you affect any given square inch less. If you do have any dirt or rough spots on the cinch, it will be shoved into the horse's skin with less oomph.

I use a mohair cinch on my western saddle, but a wool felt cinch on my Aussie one - and the wool felt doesn't have much 'grip'. Doesn't matter. Still works fine. Mohair is pretty slick too, it seems to me. Still works. It has nothing to do with truck tires, which perform differently depending on if it is mud, snow, sand or pavement. I've never driven on horse hide, so I don't know if I need dual tires or not to grip the horse...
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Thenrie, don't say it can't be better if you haven't tried it. Buy one. Test it out. Then decide. I did. And I like the airflex much better.

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post #17 of 17 Old 09-14-2012, 11:11 AM
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I started a thread tonight about cinch material. Thank you for your response. Well written. Any suggestions on preventing rub spots from he exposed buckle on the mohair cinch when riding is excessive heat conditions?
Buy the air flex........

Seriously, the rings or buckles may be the issue I was having.

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