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post #111 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 12:28 PM
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I hate that attitude of, "Only the guilty should object to intrusive searches" Stick your head in the sand if you like, bottom line is the vast majority of responsible horse owners want absolutely nothing to do with ANY rescue. You can continue on and blame all horse owners or look at what you are doing and fix it.
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post #112 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe4d View Post
I hate that attitude of, "Only the guilty should object to intrusive searches" Stick your head in the sand if you like, bottom line is the vast majority of responsible horse owners want absolutely nothing to do with ANY rescue. You can continue on and blame all horse owners or look at what you are doing and fix it.

I agree with this statement. "What are you hiding?" is a rather presumptuous question. Nothing really? If you have to ask that LOL. I have a problem with basic invasion of things folks don't need to know. This comes from valuing my privacy as a citizen and valuing the rights that many have fought and died for.

This post isn't intended as a lecture or anything. Just my response to a few of the things I've seen posted.

If a rescue truly WANTS to improve and improve the statistics for their horses than I think a lot of what's been said here has to be taken to heart. It's been said for a reason.
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post #113 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 07:27 PM
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i wanted to adopt another pony as i had tammy layed to rest after 34 years to keep tricky company i have an adoption agentcey near were i am so i applyed.
i was gobsmacked with what thay said im not in the area ok i asked if thay had a cremello mare but a gray one would sufice we have stables and paddocks and thay are devided with electric fenceing and i asked them would thay like to inspect the place.
i got no reply and i was sadend by it as it would have given a home to an ill treated pony as tricky is reabilatated as he was beaten from piller to post as a foal he had shoes twice the size of his hoofs nailed on with roofing clout nails and had strangles and was head shy.
ind hated children we think children had beaten him he is in a loveing home and is 100% with children now and has been with me 27 years.
i felt dejected and my barn owner was selling her cob so i brought him.
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post #114 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 09:14 PM Thread Starter
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SOOO!!!! Optimistic news the rescue that has a horse that I actually like has another horse that i like so if i dont get my first choice. Also i talked to the director and she said she doesnt favor high tinsel but she'd probably make an exception for only a horse no foal. Which I'm completely fine with! Do you think I'd be too tall for a 14.3 mare? I'm 5ft9in. I've never ridden anything under 15.1.
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post #115 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 09:19 PM
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I am 5'9" also. I have ridden a 14.1 horse and I did fine, but I really feel more balanced on a bigger horse. It would also depend on what you are going to do. If you want to jump, I would think 14.3 might be a bit small. As far as riding on the flat, the 14.3 horse should be fine.

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post #116 of 125 Old 12-17-2012, 09:43 PM
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Not wanting to acquire a horse with strings attached has nothing to do with the quality of the home. I maintain a very high standard of care for my animals and if I cannot provide it, I don't acquire them. I'm happy to discuss how I care for my animals, but I strongly value my privacy and rights as an owner.

To me, having a rescue inspect my home is comparable to being investigated by the authorities. I take pride in the home I provide, however I don't report myself to animal welfare to make sure. Heck, an animal welfare investigation would actually be preferable to one from a rescue, because they are bound by the applicable laws and can only act if I have violated those laws.

However I've only seen one adoption contract that actually outlined in detail what they considered to be an approved level of care, and that was the BLM. Most contracts are extremely vague, and allow the rescue FAR too much freedom to repossess the animal based on personal opinion.

Outside of animal cruelty laws, the line between abuse and proper care varies from person to person. There are people who consider bits, or shoes, or stalls, or non-parelli training, or parelli training, or sweet feed, or what-have-you, abusive. No rescue can guarantee me that the person inspecting my home is going to see past differences of opinion when deciding if my care is "good enough", and the adoption contract does not protect me. As an added bonus, most rescues do not reimburse for the sunk cost of caring for their horse should they take it back. With tonnes of needy horses available outside of the rescues, there is absolutely zero incentive for me to deal with them, and a huge amount of incentive NOT to.

I'm well aware that most rescues are reasonable, and as countrylove has stated, most do not fully enforce their contracts. However the point is that if it's in the contract, then it is legally binding. As a diligent, caring owner, I want my full rights and full control - under most adoption contracts I am putting myself in a position where a rescue CAN dictate to me how to care for my animals under the threat of repossession without compensation. Just as these rescues claim they can't trust my word that I am a good owner and need these strings attached to protect the animal, I can't trust that they know what a good owner is and refuse to sign away my ownership of the animal.
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post #117 of 125 Old 12-18-2012, 02:09 AM
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What originally put me off adoption was my MIL's horses, her rescued STB's. She cannot take any definitive action with her horses, without the approval of the rescue, and that includes vet care and putting the horse down if the situation calls for it. So if her horses had a major accident and were suffering, and putting them down was the only option outside of expensive surgery, she would have to contact the rescue and gain their permission in order to go through with it.

We recently adopted a beautiful purebred dog from a local pound, not humane society based, but city animal services. In the short time that we have had him, we have come to the conclusion that he has been heavily abused (read beaten) by who ever had him before he was recovered. We were looking for a specific breed (German Shepherd Dog), and like our last one, we wanted to go through a rescue or the pound or humane society to find one. Not a problem, it takes time, but they are out there. Man, when I started researching the local GSD rescues.. We did not go through a rescue because we do not have a fenced yard, it was an automatic rejection of adoption request. We provide an excellent home, food, water, comfort, and affection is abound. We meet any and all other wants/needs/requirements. But we don't have a fenced yard. We walk 4 times a day minimum (before work, on lunch, right after work, and before bed), sometimes more just to get out if the weather is nice. If my new pup wasn't so traumatized, we'd be going on hikes too, but he can barely walk out of the yard right now before laying down and turning into a fit of trembling fur. I would have happily gone through a rescue for a sane, loving, well adjusted dog that I would never give up. But they won't adopt out to us. We found our dog though, and we are working on adjusting him to a "normal" life of love and rubs and kisses. **** if I didn't wish he'd be ready to jump in my lap for some snuggles right now though instead of huddling up in a corner.

Rescues just are not practical. Won't adopt to certain lack of wants. Won't adopt outside of certain mile radius. Won't adopt to people with lack of veterinary repertoire. It's ridiculous. Have to have certain diets and follow certain rules for non special needs animals. You are even less unsure of what you are getting out of the humane society, city/county services, craigslist, or auction, but at least you own it and have control of it when you go that route.

Think of it not as a failure but as a success in how not to do it.

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post #118 of 125 Old 12-18-2012, 05:40 AM
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I have to ask, do rescues deny military peeps from adopting? Be kind of hard to pop in for a visit if the person who adopted the animal is now based on the other side of the States. When I started looking around for my next horse, I briefly looked at rescues but most didn't have the right type of horse. I was also turned off by the phrasing on their adoption forms. Most are writing so that you are just borrowing the horse for an indefinite amount of time and with the them having the option to pop in at any time and take the horse with them when they pop out, made rescues a big no for me. I get extremely territorial about things I consider "mine" and I am not about to invest blood, sweat, and tears into that big of a heart (not to mention money) sink that is a horse without owning them outright.
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post #119 of 125 Old 12-18-2012, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Joidigm View Post
I didn't wish he'd be ready to jump in my lap for some snuggles right now though instead of huddling up in a corner.
If you had bought a dog from a reliable breeder, you would have what you really want.

The dog I have now is a rescue of a sorts. My kids found her in the woods almost starved to death. She is a sweet dog, but she won't come when you call her, won't bark at strangers, chews things up, and is generally not much of a dog. On a good note, she won't hurt cats or chickens. (She is afraid of them.)

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post #120 of 125 Old 12-26-2012, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by countrylove View Post
I work for a rescue and those are some extensive rules. We inspect the property, no barbwire, the potential adopter comes out 3 times to help ensure rider and horse are a good match. We require a signed contract. Breeding is grounds for us to take the horse back with no refund. If you can no longer own the horse for whatever reason the horse comes back to us no refund. Those are the only 2 grounds other than abuse or neglect that we would remove a horse from an adopter. We also offer free help/access to a trainer in the event you come across something you can't handle. We try to up the odds of them staying in a good home. If you move we ask that you let us know where and allow us to check out the new property.
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I have a question for you... After you have had the horse for a few years, and you need to sell it for finacial issues, can you? or do you have to give it back to the shelter? Or what if you want to breed it, after you have had it for a specific number of years?

Overall, my main question is... Do you have to follow the rules for the whole time you own the horse?

I didn't adopt my horse, I got her from a retired breeder, she is kept in wood fencing for the winter, but when she goes to pasture, that is barbed wire, at her old home, it was just barbed wire all year round.
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