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    10-10-2012, 04:17 PM
  #1
KSL
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Advice about a terrible boarder

We have boarded a 16 year old standarbred Gelding at our barn for almost 5 years now. His owners live literally 75 yards away and can easily walk to our barn. In those years, he has been ridden about 10 times and they have NEVER fed him grain. They don't feed him hay either, but they are required to pay for 1/4 of the price of hay when we buy it every year. But they don't physically come feed it to him, I usually do. They haven't touched him since March of this year.

I try to ride him and exercise him so that he will be good for their daughter (who is 15) when she wants to ride (which is once a year, maybe.) We have had SO much drama revolving around this horse. WE keep him for free on OUR land but they don't allow us to use their tack, equipment, or anything. They lock it all in their shed. They usually say they can't afford hoof trimming when the farrier comes, so I usually have to pay for that and they never bathe him, spray him with fly spray, feed him, groom him, ride him, worm him or take him to the vet. I literally had to beg them to get his West Nile vaccine, and even then the owner tried to tell me she would order it offline.

The owner is my mothers sister, so we can't kick him out of the barn. They have been saying they are building a fence for 4 years now and even cleared the land to build it but they haven't lifted a finger for 3 years.

The other day, me and my husband went riding out in the national forest looking for deer sign for hunting season. My husband rode Domino (the boarded horse) and the owners threw a fit. I was RAGING mad.

For the past 3 years I have fed him beet pulp and alfalfa to get him ready for winter, wormed him, bathed him, made sure his tail didn't mat, exercised him, continued working on his groundwork, cleaned their tack, and made sure the farrier took care of his hooves...everything. Now I'm not allowed to ride him.

He needs to be wormed by the vet (he has had worms in his feces for 3 months now) and he needs his teeth floated, but I refuse to pay for that too. About two months ago I told the owner she NEEDED to take care of him, so she called her "vet friend" to look at him at our house and this "vet" (who was a 20 year old girl) said he was fine and I was being annoying about his care!

What would you guys do in this situation? I feel bad just not caring for Domino because it isn't his fault that his owners are crappy.
     
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    10-10-2012, 04:21 PM
  #2
Trained
So do you work at this barn? Or are you just a boarder? Do you have permission to be riding this gelding?
     
    10-10-2012, 04:22 PM
  #3
Trained
If somewhere I was boarding my horse felt entitled to ride it I would be pissed too.

Horses do not need grain, they do not need to be ridden or bathed or sprayed with fly spray or brushed or any of that stuff.

They NEED food, shelter and water. If your horse density is so high that your horses have visible worms in their feces then you need to rethink boarding.

At all the places where I have boarded, there are usually one or two horses that see their owner once a year tops. The BO feeds the horse, worms it, brings it in for the farrier and then bills the owner accordingly. The owner pays the bill and everyone is happy. The owner doesn't pay the bill and the BO pulls livery and auctions off the horse. It's not rocket science.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:30 PM
  #4
Banned
You said you cleaned their tack.....but you also said they keep it locked away in a shed??????
You don't have a right to ride someone else's horse, nor do you have a right to use their tack...I'd be smokin mad if someone where I board thought just because they brushed my horse out of their own volition was then entitled to ride it....
Also, they pay for 1/4 of the hay? But don't feed it? Perfect, all the more hay for you.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:30 PM
  #5
Yearling
I'd make a list of what he needs, worming, being fed by them, farrier work ect. And if they don't comply then he can no longer stay there.
He is absolutly useless to you if your are not allowed to ride him, so why in heck would you do this.
maybe say that people are asking questions about him and its putting you in a tough spot...
maybe offer to do a free lease, you do you as you please with him and take care of him.
If they were paying for board it would be a different story.
They are not providing him with regular/daily care.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:30 PM
  #6
KSL
Banned
Whoa y'all, this is MY barn. Guess I didnt make that clear lol. I am providing EVERYTHING for this horse. I own the barn, land, everything.

The owners are NOT billed AT ALL. They are expected to take care of him but they don't. He is almost 20 now. Time to step up, but they do not care about his health. That is the point.

And yes, I am entitled to ride him because 1) he is at my house 2)I feed him, water him, hay him, do everything for him 3) They wouldn't have the horse if I didn't agree to let it stay here.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:34 PM
  #7
Showing
Did you agree to take him on for no cost? Then that's on you, and you can't get mad if they're not paying you anything.

If you want them to start paying, draw up a contract stating boarding, farrier and vet costs, and present it to them.

If they're not willing to sign the contract and start coming up with the money for standard maintenance care, then they can find the horse another place to live. I don't care if they're family or not, but I'm bitchy like that.

As far as you riding the horse, if they didn't specifically give you permission you're in the wrong.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:37 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by KSL    
Whoa y'all, this is MY barn. Guess I didnt make that clear lol. I am providing EVERYTHING for this horse. I own the barn, land, everything.

The owners are NOT billed AT ALL. They are expected to take care of him but they don't. He is almost 20 now. Time to step up, but they do not care about his health. That is the point.

And yes, I am entitled to ride him because 1) he is at my house 2)I feed him, water him, hay him, do everything for him 3) They wouldn't have the horse if I didn't agree to let it stay here.

Seriously??

How much experience do you have boarding horses? Is there a contract involved?

At 98% of boarding places yes, the owner pays to keep the horse at the BOs house, feed him, water him, bring him into his stall, change his blankets, do 'everything for him' and in most cases, yes, the owner would not be able to have the horse if it wasn't for the BO and his/her barn. Still doesn't entitle ANY of those barn owners to ride the horse. Were it my horse I would have sued the pants off you for riding it without permission. It's your fault for not requiring a contract to be signed for what the owner is to be paying to keep the horse and the requirements for them keeping the horse there. Because you have no contract, you have no legal rights. If the owners can prove ownership of the horse then it's actually YOU that is in the legal wrong and are liable to be sued.

If you don't feel the horse is being brushed regularly enough then call the authorities *rolls eyes*

ETA I agree with Speed, get and sign a contract and if they can't do that then they can find a new place to keep the horse.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:37 PM
  #9
Trained
This is a tough situation. I am sorry you have allowed yourself to be put in it. However, the horse is on your land so, unless it is cared for, technically, I would think you could be turned in for neglect or abuse.

I am guessing you have no written agreement. So, you need to start now. I would be really honest with these folks, and tell them that you MUST have a written boarding agreement and that certain minimal care will be required or the horse. Since it is family and could be a little bit of a delicate situation-I probably would blame my insurance company or something liability wise. I would put in writing all the things that are required, including shots, worming, farrier, etc. Then state that if these are not done, they will be done by you for $_____. I personally would include a reasonable fee for myself, (holding/handling fees) and to cover the legal crap that is coming when they fail to comply. THis is NOT out of the ordinary stuff, and they will probably pitch a fit-but stick by your guns.

I would send them notice-certified mail, so that you know they got it, and, when you see them, get them to sign a boarding agreement. If they refuse-horse must move. Period. Remember-the "insurance company" is requiring this. It becomes business. It is no longer personal. Now, once they have the notice-start brushing up on what the laws are in your area as far as abandonment. You COULD even write that into the boarding agreement if you want. I have boarded places where if you miss 2 months board the horse becomes theirs. They also had stiff late fees of board was paid after the 5th...and this place is always full. Now-if you have other boarders, you will have to do the same for them. Be prepared-you may well end up owning the horse through abandonment.....and then, you can sell it if you want, or use it. LEGALLY.
     
    10-10-2012, 04:38 PM
  #10
Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by KSL    
Whoa y'all, this is MY barn. Guess I didnt make that clear lol. I am providing EVERYTHING for this horse. I own the barn, land, everything.

The owners are NOT billed AT ALL. They are expected to take care of him but they don't. He is almost 20 now. Time to step up, but they do not care about his health. That is the point.

And yes, I am entitled to ride him because 1) he is at my house 2)I feed him, water him, hay him, do everything for him 3) They wouldn't have the horse if I didn't agree to let it stay here.
NO, WHOA! If the horse DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU it does not mean you are entitled to ride it UNLESS the owner has said so. And it sounds to me like the owner does not want you riding him, as stated in you first post about them being peeved about it. Just because you take care of the animal, he still does not belong to you....
You know the saying ' don't bite the hand that feeds you'? You ought a be preaching it to the owners.....
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