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    08-14-2012, 11:43 PM
You know what, forget it. Jaxxon is still my horse at the moment and until I get the first payment, he's still my horse. Until he leaves for his new home, he's under my care and I am going to do what I feel is best for him.
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    08-14-2012, 11:46 PM
Idk why she wants me to either, but she does. She wants something like the previous horse I sold her, which HOPEFULLY, God willing, I can produce for her.
I am to be doing more than ground work, too. But, not until his ground work is finished.
I knew that this would happen. I was trying to help you when I suggested it to begin with. I didnt say anything to her when she asked me, she just asked and I obliged. Idk what has your knickers in a knot about ME working with him anyways?? I'm not doing it because I feel like I can do better than you. I did it because she asked me to and, as you clearly stated, you have less time.
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    08-14-2012, 11:50 PM
That's fine. That's what I told her just now. It's causing such an issue, that I'm just backing out. When he becomes her horse, I'll work with him then. Problem solved. :/
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    08-15-2012, 01:29 AM
There's really both sides to this.

1) until FULLY paid for he's your horse and you have a right to worry about him getting hurt.

2) gelding isn't that major (I had both a yearlong and a 10 year old done this year), of he's acting sore still then more work can actually be a GOOD thing since it will reduce swelling and in turn reduce pain.
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    08-15-2012, 01:41 AM
Goodness, can't this be discussed like the old fashioned way, over the phone or in person with each other.
    08-15-2012, 02:23 AM
I have to agree that you should be working this out with each other. And,please don't use real names of another member unless you have permission to do so.

This kind of sale, where you take payments, seems like a risky deal. I would want to sell the horse and transfer ownership and be done with it. If this new owner wanted training put on the horse before she got it home, then it should be at her expense and done AFTER she takes ownership of the horse.

It's OP's horse until all payments are made. Then the new owner can PAY the trainer for her time. I see this as being the best for all concerned.
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    08-15-2012, 02:46 AM
You would think over the phone or something would be better. Could I get her to speak to me at all once she assumes something? This would not have happened..... :/

TinyLiny, that is actually what's happening. The lady will send the OP the payment and he is to come to me. But, the OP seems to feel the need to hang on to him until the very last second. Paid for or not.
    08-15-2012, 03:19 AM
I'm going to be the odd one out.

The OP wanted advice on a situation. It doesn't matter who is involved, it's just asking for advice. This isn't "airing out dirty laundry" so what if the person involved (which the OP didn't name names at all so it's not even considered gossiping okay?) jumps on the wagon. This isn't ABOUT THEM, it's about what WE would DO if WE were in THE SITUATION the OP IS IN.

So what would I do? I'd listen to my gut. Don't let people influence you at all; you make the decisions so long as it's still your horse.

If you do payments, keep good records of payments. Document it and have it all in writing. Have copies of the checks on both sides so nothing gets screwy. Avoid dealing in "cash" as that's hard to track yeah?

Now if the people involved get all defensive, that's honestly their problem. This is advice, not finger pointing.. alright?
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    08-15-2012, 05:10 AM
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My advice is to keep business relationships based on business.

Its all very well to send a friend a horse but when there is a third person problems may arise. Such as if the horse went lame in their care, or their training deteriorated, which party would bear the cost?

So the best thing to do is try to keep it all as simple and transparent as possible. For example, the new owner may purchase the horse and then send it to the friend, or if the friend is acting as a middle person, they may purchase the horse, train it a little and then send it on. But once a horse starts changing hands prior to purchase things become complicated.

To be honest, I would have had the operation and waited for the horse to recover prior to advertising it, or alternatively not had the operation and offered the horse at a lower price, and then you could just sell it and it could be sent for training without any hassle.

As far as asking for advice online, that's okay, do what you want, but be aware that doing something like that can damage your friendship or business relationship if the other party isn't consulted first.

Keep communicating and be honest and most things work themselves out
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    08-15-2012, 08:26 AM
Green Broke
I wouldnt send the horse anywhere until the transfer of ownership is complete. Sounds like a god awful convoluted sales contract in the need to cut out the BS and just get the facts straight with buyer.

You are selling a horse. Evidently buyer wanted horse gelded and a bit of training. Hey that's all fine and dandy. You do a contract, horse is gelded, Then they send you money to buy the horse. Now they own horse. As part of the contract you agree to deliver horse to whereever they desire. To them to a trainer, whereever. What the new owners do or don't do is between the trainer and the new owners. STAY OUT OF IT, it isnt your concern and don't allow your self to be caught in the middle. But that horse stays on your land until transfer of ownership is complete. If they want it trained before delivery that is their problem to coordinate.

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