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post #11 of 26 Old 06-22-2012, 07:02 PM
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Some excellent points were brought up. I took in my mare when she was 22, so I understand the appeal of an older "been there" horse. I love her, and I think a piece of me will die when she does.

That being said, thinking logically, I would have to tell you to pass on your lease mare (as adorable as she is).
Should you buy her now( at a higher price than you were wanting), you still have to deal with boarding her until your plans are complete, and you have your own place. (And what if your plans fall through? Or are delayed? Things happen.) Are you prepared for that?

Also, you've expressed interest in an activity that she is not good at. While there is a good possibility that she COULD become good at trail riding, there is always the distinct possibility that she also never will be a trail horse. Are you okay with that?

I struggle sometimes with my mare (Now 24, but believes she is 5). She is what would be considered "bomb proof" and nearly child proof and just the best all around trail horse you could get. However, I was looking at possibly doing some local shows with her. This would have entailed her going to my trainer for 30 days while he worked with me and her.
I had never seen her pin her ears at anything but my other horse before, and never like this. As soon as she and I started working a bit in the arena, her ears were plastered to her head and she was acting up. I wasn't asking for anything too difficult, just trotting on the right leads in a more collected frame. Definitely not super collected or anything, but a nice little frame.

After not too long, it was very apparent that what ever training/showing she had done years before I got her, had left a bad taste in her mouth and she would just never be happy about working in an arena setting.

Was it disappointing? Certainly. However, I know that it wouldn't be fair to her to push her to do something she just does not like, when she is good and happy at something else. I have to be fair to her. I have high hopes for my young gelding, but that is a long way off yet. Will you be able to set aside your wants for her needs if it comes to that? I'm not saying that we should let old horses have their way on everything and that they don't need discipline, just that they have done their time, and (within acceptable limits) it's not really fair to them that they aren't what you need.

I'm sure that all could have been put a lot more eloquently, but I spent today in the hot sun, so I'm a bit fried! LOL. Good luck with what ever you choose!
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post #12 of 26 Old 06-23-2012, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
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A new wrinkle this morning...I had inquired a couple of weeks ago about another mare for sale in my area. I didn't hear anything back, so figured she had already been snapped up. But, I decided to call again to try one more time to set up an appointment, and lo and behold, she is still available. I'm going to go see her on Monday. On paper, she really is the whole package of what I'm looking for. We'll see how it goes in person.

(I had started another thread a couple of weeks ago, but here are the links to view her)
Here's a video of her undersaddle: macy english mvr - YouTube

There are some pics here (scroll down until you get to "Mac Bee Happy"), but since they're clearly not confo shots, I didn't want to put them in that section.
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post #13 of 26 Old 06-23-2012, 09:04 AM
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I posted on your other thread but I think let your lease horse find a forever home and you focus on finding a good horse that can handle everything that you want to do. I really like Macy from what little I saw of her.

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post #14 of 26 Old 06-25-2012, 08:12 AM
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[QUOTE=egrogan;1562050]A new wrinkle this morning...I had inquired a couple of weeks ago about another mare for sale in my area. I didn't hear anything back, so figured she had already been snapped up. But, I

She looks like a really nice mare. I liked that she stood still for the rider to get on and ignored the other horses grazing around and seemed very calm. She already has a good basic idea of what you are going to want to do re. Low level dressage. Has this one done any Trail riding? That was my main concern with the lease mare - she had a BIG question mark hanging over her about something that is important to you and as it sounds as if you've already lost your confidence once it might not be a good idea to risk introducing an 'iffy' horse to a situation that its not relaxed in if you start to feel tense about it yourself.
Are you intending to keep a new horse at home on its own or with a companion? Something to think about as not all horses are happy on their own.
Good luck today - hope it goes well
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Excited for an update...!

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A new wrinkle this morning...

She is quite a looker, and only 6 years old-I'd say she is a better prospect though I am not a "mare" person

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post #17 of 26 Old 06-25-2012, 04:05 PM Thread Starter
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I'll start by thanking everyone who suggested I go test ride a couple of other horses- it was such a valuable experience.

Today I rode the little grey mare, plus a 13 yr-old paint gelding who was a little bigger than I thought I was interested in, but also ended up being a nice ride. The two were just as they had been advertised- quiet, good mind, willing to please, good ground manners. I had an hour "lesson" on each horse, and then spent another hour riding out on the barn's trails. The BO was so generous with her time and asked lots of great questions to try to be sure I was articulating what I was looking for so she could help make a good match.

The whole time, I will say I just wasn't feeling great about my riding- I felt a little out of synch with each of the horses, never really felt balanced, and just overall didn't feel like I was getting them to perform their best. It was clear both horses have more experience with Western/trail riding- they didn't really like being ridden with contact, and didn't really have a lot of experience with things like changing on the diagonal, serpentines, figure 8's, etc. That's fine, I know it's small stuff that can be fixed with work. It just didn't feel like my best riding since what I'm used to and what they were used to didn't necessarily mesh right away.

But the thing is, that's also exactly how my lease mare was 2 years ago when I started working with her, and know she finally understands those things. Do I want to go through that all over again with a new horse when lease mare is finally working pretty well? I also realized that I just feel really comfortable on her. I realized that what I'm seeking, more than any particular kind of riding (trails vs. arena, English vs. Western, etc.), is just that feeling of being comfortable, relaxed, and predictable. I realized that I want riding to be something where I know what to expect, and am not constantly striving to move up a scale of ability. I work in a really intense environment and have always been an overachiever in my professional life- I kind of want my riding to be the opposite of that, where I don't have a project I'm working on improving, but just have a horse where what I get is pretty clear and upfront- not a lot of surprises. The lease mare is all those things- I know what she can do, I know what would be harder for her. But I also realized today that I really know how to ride her, and I'm a much better rider on her. For all those reasons, I think I'm really leaning toward sticking with the lease mare.

I've decided I'm going to have a vet check on the lease mare on Thursday and will have a really honest conversation about her back and any future limitations that might limit her rideability in the near-term (i.e., the next 2-5 years). I know a vet can't guarantee anything, but I want to feel that I'm making an informed decision. If the vet check doesn't go well, I suppose I will need to regroup and continue the search.

I do want to thank everyone who gave such good advice and was so encouraging, and also acknowledge that this decision is probably out of step with what most of you would have recommended. The thing is, I just can't shake the feeling of wanting the comfortable, broken in pair of jeans vs. a newer, fancier version that will take a lot of wearing in. I may not always be in that place with my riding, but right now, that's my honest assessment of what I want, so I feel pretty at peace with this.
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It seems you've put a lot of thought into this and taken advice in stride, even when it wasn't something that you necessarily wanted to hear. I hope everything goes well for you, with what ever you choose. :) Good luck!
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there have been a lot of great points brought up already. When I read your original post..I cringed..no not about you..about lesson barns & the sale of their horses. All too many times over-pricing horses because good hearted people like you or a parent who wants their child to be happy with a lesson horse that they have fallen in love with will pay these prices! You said it yourself, even $500. Under sale price is more than she is worth. A common practice but still frustrating. What ever you decide make sure it is what is best for you! Sounds like you have a great head on your shoulders but are unsure of trusting your own intuition...what ever it is telling you go with it..you will end up happy either way :)

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there have been a lot of great points brought up already. When I read your original post..I cringed..no not about you..about lesson barns & the sale of their horses. All too many times over-pricing horses because good hearted people like you or a parent who wants their child to be happy with a lesson horse that they have fallen in love with will pay these prices! You said it yourself, even $500. Under sale price is more than she is worth. A common practice but still frustrating. What ever you decide make sure it is what is best for you! Sounds like you have a great head on your shoulders but are unsure of trusting your own intuition...what ever it is telling you go with it..you will end up happy either way :)
just read your last post..good for you for following your gut of what is right for you..hope the vet visit goes well...and BTW she is beautiful!

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