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    01-15-2012, 12:17 AM
Anybody else agree?

I was just talking to one of my friends and they said that it's mean to kick horses because they have feelings..does anyone else get frustrated by non-riders who say things like this?

Sorry to rant, just a bit annoyed by being called an animal abuser even though I've explained to them that a person cannot hit or kick a horse harder than they can bite and kick eachother out in the pasture..sure there are limits but I am definitely not close to passing them and that just frustrates me LOLOL

Let me know your opinion on this?

By the way, when I say "kick" I mean when you're trying to get them to move forward or go faster..not kicking them when you're on the ground as punishment or anything like that..
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    01-15-2012, 01:21 AM
Either way, if the horse were to kick me either on the ground or to get me to go forward, I'm pretty sure my feelings would be hurt a LOT worse than his are when I do the same. People humanizing animals gets us all in a HUGE mess.....witness PETA, ALF.....
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    01-15-2012, 01:34 AM
I had a big draft kick me right in the knee when I was tightening a girth; threw me right to the ground and I had a limp for a week. But I still got up and kicked her right back She thought twice next time I brought the girth on.
    01-15-2012, 01:37 AM
Once upon a time I believed in unicorn spit and rainbow farts...and then I grew up and realized that a horse is a ~1000lbs animal with hard, sharp hooves and teeth who can (and will) knock the stuffing out of me (among other things) if I don't assert myself as the leader first. Let me guess, your friend is the same kind of person who doesn't believe in reprimanding small dogs because they're "too small and fragile and might get hurt" (direct quote from my sister in regards to training/reprimanding her lunatic chihuahua that my 60lbs aussie/st bernard is terrified of).

I once had a fellow boarder basically call me an animal abuser because I slapped Aires on the flank for trying to kick me while I was picking out his feet. She said that she would "never hit [her] horse like that because it would hurt her." She then went to the trainer and asked the trainer if she ever "abused" Rex (the trainer's horse) by hitting him like I had hit Aires. Mind you, it was a mild slap on the flank and a firm "Quit it," not a knock-down-drag-out close-fisted punch. Anyway, when she said she wouldn't hit her horse because it would hurt her, I have her a serious piece of my mind. Was I out of line? Maybe. No one else who was there or heard about it seemed to think so. I honestly don't have patience for people who project their feelings and fears onto their horses knowingly, like saying it'll hurt their feelings to hit them or getting off their horse to lead it down a hill because the horse is "afraid of heights", he has your number after fourteen years of ownership and knows that if he acts like an idiot and turns around on you, that you'll get off his back (his ultimate goal: not to have to work any harder than he absolutely has to) and do the work for him.

Sorry for the mini rant...had the hill situation happen with the friend I went riding with yesterday. For heaven's sake, if my two-year-old can do it, your 16-year-old can sure as hell do it! Funny thing was, when she didn't let him get away with his antics and actually MADE him do it, he was absolutely fine.
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    01-15-2012, 01:47 AM
Sometimes its best to just play along with the non-since that comes out of non horsey peoples mouths, they don't know any better so no need in letting it up set you.
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    01-15-2012, 01:57 AM
Thanks guys, while we are on the subject- do you think it's bad to give a horse a smack when he doesn't pick up his foot for you? Not on the first try but after a few tries? My cousin rides a horse who always puts up a fight on the first foot, she won't give him a smack for not listening (he's picked up so many bad habits from having her ride him) as soon as I go to try and he doesn't pick it up, I will give him a little smack and say his name in a serious tone and he will do it fine. Am I right or wrong to do this?
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    01-15-2012, 01:57 AM
And we've checked for a problem on that foot by the way, he's just being a jerk.
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    01-15-2012, 02:06 AM
Personally, I'd say she's wrong. Trust me, a 130lbs girl isn't going to hurt a 1000lbs horse. They kick each other and bite each other WAY harder than even a full-grown man can hit a horse. Have her watch a herd of horses turned out together. There will be an obvious alpha who keeps the others in line. How does the alpha accomplish this? By doling out kicks and bites as required. Tell her that if she isn't going to be the alpha by keeping her horse in line (with "kicks and bites"), then her horse is going to take over that roll...and she's not going to like it because he can kick and bite WAY harder than she can.

Of course, she may be one of those people that unfortunately something drastic has to happen to before they "get it."
    01-15-2012, 02:22 AM
I give them a jab with my finger or my hoof pick rather a smack. But I would definitely reprimand them when they do not obey something you are telling/asking them to do, if not they will continue and get worse.
    01-15-2012, 02:24 AM
Thanks for the advice, I totally agree with you all!
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