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post #11 of 35 Old 06-05-2009, 04:53 PM
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ya, i have a flash for my horse but its mostly to help him learn not to evade the bit. but i can always fit at least a finger comfortably in between the strap and his nose. it really helps me out to have that piece there to help remind him that he's not supposed to open his mouth to get away from work. but like others said, its not a permanent thing. hopefully later in his training i'll be able to take it off.
if used correctly, flashes are an excellent tool, but i agree that it should never keep a horse from being able to chew or be so tight you cant fit any fingers in.
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post #12 of 35 Old 06-05-2009, 07:22 PM
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I was stupid and got a flash when Vega kept tossing her head. Realized later it was due to the bit.
But I've kept it and used it, mainly because I like the look of it, not because she needs it.
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Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler View Post
The Flash noseband was developed because you can't attach a standing martingale to a drop noseband.
Ah, but what were drop nosebands developed for?
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Flashes don't teach a horse to not evade the bit. Proper riding, training does - aka the training scale.

Read Jim Woffords article.
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The Flash noseband , named after a now long forgotton showjumper , was devised originally to combine the action of the drop with a noseband that would also provide a point of anchorage for a standing martingale - at one time an obligatory item of equipment for a jumping horse . Obviously the attcahment of a standing martingale to the usuall type of drop noseband would result in an unacceptably severe action on the sensitive nose area. The Flash noseband , therefore , provided a proper solution to the problem .

The Drop noseband .
There are a number of patterns of drop noseband . All of them succeed in closing the mouth ( opening of the mouth or crossing of the jaws , thereby sliding the bit through the mouth and so avoiding the correct action , being common evasions ) . Even more important is the fact that the drop noseband , used in conjuction with a snaffle , alters the whole conception of the snaffle bit. The noseband imposes pressure on the nose , following pressure on the bit through the reins, and the resultant position of the head (i.e. lowered because of the nose pressure ) allows the bit to bear more directly across the lower jaw, exerting a downward and inward force as opposed to the normal upward pull when the bit is acting purely on the corners of the mouth. Briefly , therefore , it is possible to produce very adequate flexion of the lower jaw and the poll, not normally possible with the snaffle alone. The drop noseband, by positioning the head correctly , materially assists the riders control , and although it qualifies as an accessory to the bit, it has its own place in the training of the horse.
The correct fitting of the drop noseband is for the nosepiece, to lie some 6-8cm above the nostrils just below the termination of the facial bones, with the rear strap fastening under the bit and lying in the curb groove. I t should fit snugly but not too tightly and thus should have no excessively severe effect upon the wind.

Sorry for the book .
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So what is the difference between a flash and a figure 8?
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Nosebands - the grackle

"....The Grackle Noseband, named after the 1931 Grand National winner who wore one, has the lower straps fastened under the bit and the top one above, with, in the original pattern, a connection at the rear to keep them in place. The nose pressure is consequently localised higher up the face and can be considered as being less restrictive to the breathing than the usual drop noseband and it will also allow a little more movement in the jaws. It will, nonetheless, prevent an evasion of the bit by the jaws being crossed. Properly made, the small nosepiece, through which the two intersecting straps are passed, can be adjusted up or down to increase or decrease the strength of the action. In recent years, the Grackle has been called the 'Figure 8' or 'crossover noseband'...."

This extract is take from 'Saddlery' by Elwyn Hartley Edwards, a world authority on the subject of saddlery and bitting.

I thought this explained the Grackle Noseband very well . I am not eloquent enough to explain it in my own words too well !

Obviously I know all my nosebands (and make them) and understand their uses, but I'm a saddler, not an author, so thanks Elwyn !

(Sorry for the 'book' - Blame Elwyn!)
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Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler View Post
I get many people remarking to me that they are finding it harder and harder to find a bridle without a flash attachment.
That is actually quite true. Most bridles I look at have flash attachments
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Here is a very educational, excellant read for you:

::: Sustainable Dressage - Tack & Auxillary Equipment - The Bridle & the Bit :::
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I use a flash because my horse LOVES to chew. even just standing around in a halter, he grinds his tetth, open his mouth, etc. The flash is pretty loose, but it gives him room to play with bit without being distracting to either of us. I know he still has room to move his mouth just because of the massive trails of drool that stream out behind us, lol
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