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post #11 of 21 Old 12-31-2008, 10:58 PM
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He's really pretty! I really hope it works out for you! It'd be a wonderful bday present and a great way to ring in the new year!

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post #12 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 10:36 AM
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Alright here is the jist of the emails that I have been exchanging with this horse’s owner.


Bob is a 8 yr old perch/morgan cross. I’m not sure how tall he is, or if he’s gaited or not. He was leant out to the owners non riding brother in law last summer, and did very well with him. He is pretty low key (loveable and non-aggressive), but has some get up and go when asked for it. He’s broke to ride (rides western) and drive, but has been mainly used as a trail horse, he would need some work in the arena (is a willing learner). He is up to date on shots and worming, but would need a coggins. Bob is boarded outside and requires no grain.


The only glitch is, is that he wrenched a hind foot on some ice, so he has a limp at the trot and canter. The owner suspects that this is something that can be cured with some time and light riding. Also, if something were to go wrong with Bob during my lease, they would trade me Bob for his mate, Bill for the remainder of the lease. Lameness has never been an issue for Bob, and overall has very good feet.


I would be responsible for paying board and all up keep of the horse (vet, shots, feet, etc.). Bob is part of a team, and the owner says that she has tossed around the idea of selling, but hasn’t made up her mind as of yet, but if she does, I would get first dibs.


She will lease him out to me for 6 months, at which point I may or may not have the option to renew, just given their situation. They might want to go back out to the Bighorn mtns. And they would need him for that. The owner is willing to make up a contract that suits both our needs and makes us both happy. She is alright with my boarding at my barn, or a barn of my choosing.



The owner is not interested in having him insured, but suggested checking into having Bob put on my home owners insurance just in case something were to happen. Bob’s owner is also willing to deliver him for a price, so that works out also.

So, really, aside from the horse being already injured, it sounds like an alright kinda deal; and the best part of it all is that the hubby is all for it, as long as we can reach an agreement on the lease.

So, how does it sound? What other issues should I be addressing before signing a contract? I AM planning on going out to see Bob, and have a vet check done before signing a contract, also, I'd like a 30 day trial period before a lease is signed. Did I miss anything?
I wouldn't do it. To risky. "he is ok and could heal with time with light riding"? I don't think so! It sounds to me like its just trying to keep the horse unde rlight work to keep him sound during your lease in the hopes they can make a sale. Once he's sold you have some big problems.
A limp means pain. There are very few conditions and situations where a limp is only an temporary anatomical issue but I would be EXTREMELY weary of that in a horse as big as he is.

I wouldn't even consider it. Why not do the same thing with the other horse who I assume is sound?
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post #13 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 10:46 AM
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I think that you should look into it and see what the vet says. I agree with Joshie - make sure there is something in the agreement about vet bills regarding the limp. I also agree with My2Gledings - if a horse is limping it may be in pain. Like she said, why don't you ask the owner about the other horse? At the very least I would try the other horse, esp. If he will be the "substitute" if Bob is unridable. I would also research some other options, to see what else it out there.
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post #14 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 11:33 AM
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I like him Mox....

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post #15 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 12:18 PM Thread Starter
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Has the owner had the vet out to see if there is something that can be done about his lameness? I'd be scared I'd fall in love. I wouldn't want to fall in love with a horse who would not stay sound. I'd also be concerned about being responsible for vet bills surrounding the lameness.

He looks like a horse that would be easy to fall in love with.
I am not 100% sure if the owner has had a vet out to look at him, but I will for sure have a vet out before I sign anything.



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I wouldn't do it. To risky. "he is ok and could heal with time with light riding"? I don't think so! It sounds to me like its just trying to keep the horse unde rlight work to keep him sound during your lease in the hopes they can make a sale. Once he's sold you have some big problems.
A limp means pain. There are very few conditions and situations where a limp is only an temporary anatomical issue but I would be EXTREMELY weary of that in a horse as big as he is.

I wouldn't even consider it. Why not do the same thing with the other horse who I assume is sound?
I don't see any reason why they would try and 'swindle' me here, as they have some plans on using Bob in the future. But I totally see where you're coming from. The owner wasnt really even sure they wanted to sell him, but of course things can change.

I will be looking at the other horse as well, and will inquire about him, I assume he's the other horse pictured in the middle and last pic posted previously. I would have no qualm about leasing him instead of Bob, as the leg issue scares me also. I just think it's worth a shot to go out and have a look.




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I think that you should look into it and see what the vet says. I agree with Joshie - make sure there is something in the agreement about vet bills regarding the limp. I also agree with My2Gledings - if a horse is limping it may be in pain. Like she said, why don't you ask the owner about the other horse? At the very least I would try the other horse, esp. If he will be the "substitute" if Bob is unridable. I would also research some other options, to see what else it out there.
I plan on adding a clause about previous injuries into the lease, and those vet bills should be paid by the owner as I had nothing to do with his injury. Of course I wouldnt go out and work him every single day due to the injury. I do plan on keeping all of their emails as well, just in case things do get hairy.

Like I said above, I do plan on checking out the other horse as well, it might just be that I lease Bob's mate instead of Bob. We'll see what the future holds.

I am still waiting on an email back from them as to when I am able to come out and visit. I do plan on bringing my trainer with, as I know she will tell me up front how it is.


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Generally speaking, looking at the photos I think he's adorable and I like his frame(and he looks like he's black in one of the photos!). Unless it's your very best friend or someone very close to you, you should never trust someone especially when it involves the selling of something. As you posted tho, I think it's a great idea to include any vet care to the owners.
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post #17 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 01:55 PM
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Go with what your heart tells you.
No No No. Go with your head not your heart.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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I'm goin' to agree with Bill here. In my heart... lol... I WANT BOB!

I'd be really really leary of the leasing a lame horse. Just doesn't make sense to me.

He may just have a limp now, but with riding, it could worsen not get better...What if he turns up totally lame...and they poo poo on you....I would risk it.

See about his mate or just WAIT, until they have a vet out to look at Bob and resolve the limp issue.

Things aren't adding up for me here. I'm wondering why they have waited to have him checked???? I called the vet for a stone bruise on Dumas...

Something isn't adding up for me.

I wish you luck Moxie!!!!!

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post #19 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 03:10 PM
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I'm goin' to agree with Bill here. In my heart... lol... I WANT BOB!

I'd be really really leary of the leasing a lame horse. Just doesn't make sense to me.

He may just have a limp now, but with riding, it could worsen not get better...What if he turns up totally lame...and they poo poo on you....I would risk it.

See about his mate or just WAIT, until they have a vet out to look at Bob and resolve the limp issue.

Things aren't adding up for me here. I'm wondering why they have waited to have him checked???? I called the vet for a stone bruise on Dumas...

Something isn't adding up for me.

I wish you luck Moxie!!!!!
Glad someone else is agreeing with me.
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post #20 of 21 Old 01-01-2009, 06:30 PM Thread Starter
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I agree with you Kelly, and completely see where you're coming from!

I'm not 100% sure they have or have not had a vet out to look at Bob, so I can't really comment on that. Either way, I will have a vet out before I sign anything be it over the lease of Bob or Bill.

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