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    04-17-2009, 09:22 AM
  #1
Foal
Breedism?

A couple friend and I ended up on the topic about how some judges, horsepeople, stables, etc have issues or are against certain breeds. I myself have a foot both in the dressage world and harness racing world and i've gotten hit at both ends.

For years I rode at a dressage stable on their schooling horses. I decided to take my then racing mare Ferlien(r.i.p) for a lesson, just for a change. When I showed up I had a few people ask about her and when I mentioned she was a standardbred I got the raised eye brow look and even a comment of "Those belong on a track, NOT in a show ring". Grant it the majority of the people there at the time had no problem with her breed whatso ever, but their were a few who made some rude comments.

I use to own a TB. While I was at the race track I was talking to a friend about how I was going to enter him in a w/t dressage class to test the waters and see how he would behave at a show and what not. Her father than turned around and went on a ramble about how all show horses are over priced, accident and injury prone, not worth the effort etc.

In both cases I believe uneducated thoughts and prejudices took over. I didnt take any of them to heart but to see how some people have this hate towards certain breeds or even certain disiplines its bewildering. Sure I have my preferances and what not, but to voice them in such a manner is not how I would go about it.

Also a friend of mine has a retired standardbred. She took him to a dressage show at a local stable. I watched her performance and to my eye, she did really well. She was only doing w/t but from what I could tell she had a near perfect performance. She ended up 6th(2nd last). She was talking to a friend of the family a few days later about the show when he pointed out that she didnt stand a chance to begin with. I guess 2 out of the 3 judges that were there had extreme dislikes for anything that had seen a track. (Btw this wasnt a registered show or anything, more of a "fun day") But even if this wasnt an important show, to know that some people despise a breed or type so much that they would jeopordize placing, its ridiculous.

Has anyone else ever had issues with "breedism"? Regardless if its with your horse, a friends horse, or even a non-OT horse. Any stories?
     
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    04-17-2009, 03:23 PM
  #2
Showing
Definitely.
I used to show a lovely little pinto pony in hunters for my old trainer - some judges would love him, others would hate him, didn't matter how well he did in the class. Poor guy.
I have been told over and over not to bother buying anything other than a warmblood for dressage. Bunch of hooey if you ask me!
     
    04-17-2009, 03:41 PM
  #3
Showing
Oh yeah. I have mustangs so you can imagine how well that goes over with the "cowboys" around here. I am all too familiar with *that look*. To them, unless it is a cutting bred QH, it is not worth the glue and dog food that would be made of it if they got sent to the killer. And God forbid you mention TB, SB, or any other "off" breed to them.

Sorry, I mean no offense by calling them an "off" breed but we don't see many of them around here so they are not commonly referred to.
     
    04-17-2009, 04:57 PM
  #4
Weanling
I agree smrobs, I don't live horribly far from you and it's the same thing here. I personally love mustangs but the "look" comes at even the mention of one. This is cattle country and anything they deem unfit to cut, rope or otherwise work cattle is worthless. I think a lot of prejudice towards horses comes from the same prejudices people have toward other people it's how you are raised, what you are around and the opinions you hear from others as you grow up.
I've had the opportunity to be around TB's when I was younger, we had a small track not far from where I lived and my best friend when growing up had TB's her parents were avid racer fans and some of their horses did quite well. Later I was around QH and Paints fell in love with them and mustangs have always since I could walk & talk been one of my greatest passions.
     
    04-17-2009, 05:08 PM
  #5
Weanling
I have a friend that years ago, took her 'alpo' horse to a national show. It was a horse she trained that she got from the meat auction run by a dog food company. She ended up with 12th place that year, NATIONALLY. When the scores were looked at afterwards, the difference between 1st & 15th were less than 2 points. My friend scored where she did, even though one of the judges refused to give her ANY points - simply because he did not recognize the brand on the horse's hip & shoulder.
He couldn't have recognized them because they were from the slaughter farm. No one ever got to see them.
     
    04-17-2009, 06:03 PM
  #6
Yearling
I'll admit, I'm wairy of ponies. There just...odd little things D: cuter than buttons, but odd. I was walking my brothers around a teeny tiny little broke pony, Joe, then all of a sudden he starts BUCKING. Brother plopped on a the ground, and he took off with his heels on fire O-o'

There is the cutest little pony down the road though >.> god I want to take it home with me so bad it's just frikkin' adorable. A little suspicious of people, but adorable.


At my past stable, I had the ONLY Foxtrotter (gaited, really) in the barn. The rest were mostly QH, Paint, I think one Arabian (mean) and a Appy (cute). Nobody really 'got' him :/ they gave him the wrong grain (oats and sweet feed), told me the protein in Strategy makes him way to hyper (Even though it was the oats and sweet feed). Then they gave him beet pulp without asking me first and someone kept jacking my Strategy. T.T
Loki has never been hyper or hot on Strategy. Only on oats/sweet feed. He was on a good 10 pounds of Strategy to regain lost weight from oats and sweet feed. Still not hyper o_O Quirky, as always, but never hyper.

I haven't been to many shows -yet- but I bet theres a lot of breed snots there :(
Personally, I would love to have a QH, Paint, or even a Thoroughbred or Arabian. I would like to try speed events and English riding someday.


So other than ponies (which I like, just there so...pony-ish! Augh!) I like them all 8D
     
    04-17-2009, 07:44 PM
  #7
Showing
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Originally Posted by close2prfct    
I agree smrobs, I don't live horribly far from you and it's the same thing here. I personally love mustangs but the "look" comes at even the mention of one. This is cattle country and anything they deem unfit to cut, rope or otherwise work cattle is worthless.
Yep, and what is so funny is that my gray 'stang is more cowhorse than lots of them I see that have been trained by "cowboys". He nearly pooted me off the other day when he was cutting a loose mule.

There are certain breeds that I have no interest in owning because they don't suit my purposes. I am not a huge fan of TB's just because of their confo. Most gaited horses are too small because I like a horse that is broad and bulky and averages 14.2 to 15.3. Anything else is just not for me. I still love looking at them though.
     
    04-17-2009, 07:56 PM
  #8
Weanling
Lol I can see your mustang doing just that, they are sure footed, quick & agile.
I have seen mustangs excel at numerous events yet fall between the cracks when it comes to scoring etc. just as QTS said about the horse that was at the slaughter house and it's brand.
Appreciate the horse breed for the breed it represents don't compare it to a different breed with a different purpose. That really shouldn't be that hard to figure out but for some it is.
     
    04-17-2009, 08:41 PM
  #9
Banned
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
Definitely.
I used to show a lovely little pinto pony in hunters for my old trainer - some judges would love him, others would hate him, didn't matter how well he did in the class. Poor guy.
I have been told over and over not to bother buying anything other than a warmblood for dressage. Bunch of hooey if you ask me!

Until Seldom Seen burst on the scene and stunned everyone anything small and not an "acceptable" breed or cross was looked down on in dressage.

I often was asked "How is your little Ayrab?" meaning it in a very negative way. I got 10% less than others did for the same movement for the longest time but I would not go away so they had to eventually begrudging give him scores he was entittled to.

I know personally of judges that have stated that they hate Arabs and that they were no good for dressage.
     
    04-17-2009, 10:17 PM
  #10
Foal
The same thing goes on here, not only in the show ring, but also in the trails.

You rarely will find a QH here, but there are a few small "rodeos" every now and then. When I was younger I used to run barrels and did some team penning. I was looked down upon because....I was on a Walker. I don't know how many of the "Are you serious?" questions I got. I placed well with Remi (my horse), but still...they kept on.

The majority of the breedism though is with the gaited horse owners. I live in Walking Horse country. If it ain't a SSH or WH it's a "nickle s.o.b". You show up at a trail ride and you hear "That thing ain't going to be able to keep up."

This sort of thing is apart of every discipline I think. There are always those people who are going to stereotype because they're prejudice or ignorant.
     

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